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Hi Everyone

Apparently you did not read our list of Terms before you posted it here in the forums. We showed you the respect of sending them to you before we posted them here. Posting our terms to you, appears to be some sort of mocking of us and saying no to them. I believe our terms to you were fair, by Illy standards, and totally respectful to your alliance. As has been pointed out before, this is not really about the 10 square rule. That is a rule that we adhere to as an alliance. All we asked was that you communicate with us. That is all that we expected from Myll.  We are not little girls and we are not stomping our feet. We  did not undertake this endeavor lightly, we discussed it amongst ourselves and were told by Myll and others that you would continue to disregard our policies. The decision is your not ours as to whether to accept our terms to end this.

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Ok, so I'm going to ask the obvious question.

If all Gaia wanted was to be near the hub, why not go here: http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/-705/664   It's closer to the hub, same res plots as where she went, better dolman near by, and not in someone's 10 so wouldn't have cost her SOV 5.  What am I missing?  Hell, why not just exodus there once Bimoda complained instead of digging in her heels?   We've all done it - I moved a freshly started city as a new player when I was 9.6 away, because I didn't know any better!  Yes, it took freaking forever to be ready to exodus, but in this case Gaia won't even lose anything to the move since she just did it.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steven Quincy Urpel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 19:57
Y'all should get an "I am Spartacus" / "I am Myll" meme going here.
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I agree with Ista on everything that was said.   I came from LOU as well and thought this game would be great as there isn't any bullying.  This has obviously shown its not the case.  The ONLY reason they have attacked is because they are a much larger alliance than we are and can do what they want with us.  We stand no chance to defend ourselves against these bullies.  Add me to the list of which ones you want to attack next.  I am like Ista and will not bow down to your rules.  I'm sure my huge 989 population town will be fun for you to raze as well since you like to raze smaller than you towns/alliances.
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So if we bow down to you, live by "your" rules, we get to continue playing the game. In the meantime you are stealing the resources we needed to grow as an alliance by destroying Myll's cities.

We tried to be diplomatic. We have taken the high road and not gotten into any public forum war. Fairies response from the beginning has been.

1. Remove city they felt was in violation of "their" policy even though they failed to exercise due diligence in rectifying this before Sov 5 was claimed.

2. Upon learning Myll was no longer Tsunami leader suggested WAVE join Fairies alliance. When offer not accepted.

3. Waged war, and yes Tanya it is a war, on Myll's cities.

It has been stated by Fairy leadership that if we do not bow down to "their demands" after Myll's cities are destroyed they will come after the next alliance leader or anyone who intercedes.

This is simply a case of a larger alliance bullying a smaller one and attempting to keep other players away from the faction hub. This type of behavior and attitude is exactly why I stopped playing LoU. When I came here I was told that this kind of behavior wasn't tolerated in Illy. Seems I was misinformed.

We do not agree with "your" 10 sq policy but we also do not blatantly establish our cities close to another alliances without following the proper game rules as was done in this case.

In the beginning we had discussed, among ourselves, offering a NAP with Fairy but once threats starting being issued we felt that a NAP was a mute point. Not on our part but on Fairies.

I will speak for myself, and not the alliance, at this point:
 If you want to continue with your high handed bullying tactics then go ahead and place my cities next on your list of cities to destroy. I WILL NOT bow down. I WILL NOT be told what I can and cannot do based on your whims. I would rather end my short tenure here at Illy standing up to spoiled little bullies than bowing down like a little wimp. If it makes you feel like a big dog then go ahead. There are too many games out there to play and every one of them has people with your mentality in them. I am too old to be dictated to by little girls.


Now it is up to you to act like a grown up and cease and desist your attacks on our alliance, and yes that includes Myll's cities, or to continue to stomp your feet cause you aren't getting your way.

My apologies to WAVE for speaking out when I agreed to let this play out. But I am done with this nonsense.

Edited by Ista - 11 Jul 2014 at 19:39
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote abstractdream Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 19:25
So, I can see at least one better spot very near that Faction Hub but away from Fairy cities. There are more. Why did Gaia pick the spot she did? I can only think of one reason, to specifically throw Fairy's policy in their face. Sounds like an act of war to me.
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Tanya,

Ok you have succeeded in wiping out Myll's cities. Who's next? Myll's is gone. We have a Council of Five running the alliance.

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This is Gaia's response:

I think it’s time to little explain where I’m standing. When I  decided to start Illyriad the reason was partially game rules. I game here and then saw in alliance pages many times 10-tile rule there written. Myll kindly explained to me some history of that so called rule. Then checked some forums and talked about it with other people. It was clear there is no such rule in the game. Only rule is that I  can’t exodus to that area. BUT you CAN do it if you claim sovereignty V to that tile. So,

  1. I was glad i found the alliance without that ”rule”. Reason: The whole game changes if that kind of rule exist and if devs wanted it to be like that there would be a change the game code too, naturally. That would mean there wouldn’t be any kind sov possibility to that area within game rules.
  2. I’m not just a Myll’s naive child - he never pressed or told only his opinion – he took time to tell other side too. So I made a choice as a new player because I strongly agree with him.
  3. I understand the benefits of ”rule”. It’s cheaper and peacefull way to play game with long term plans. I just desagree. I have that right, yes?
  4. So, now we are coming to interesting part of this matter in my opinion. Some people say that’s a common rule and it’s convention/policy. I must say I can understand bridge conventions in bidding and playing – written and clear. But what makes 10-tile ”rule” to a convention? Some vets have years ago made that kind of ”rule” – is that a convention? How do you measure anything as a convention in this kind of play? Is it any more a convention (or has it ever been) if some big players decide to wipe out tiny new alliance which just want to play by the game rules developed by devs – not by players? Where is my right to make decisions about that matter? Are you really going to say it’s still a convention – after wiped all tiny newbies away? Do you wipe out ALL incoming new players who desagree your so called convention? You can see the paradox and you need to continue life here in Illyriad and give space people to play as devs wanted game to be played. AND don’t forget – there’s more newbies coming.
  5. It seems to me that all this fuss about one little tile is only and excuse to get Myll. It also seems to me it’s only a cover for Bimoda to keep people out of the faction hub area.
  6. And then asking … Sov V claiming takes time. I started to claim it and, Bimoda, you didn’t react to that at all. You could claim it back. Then I moved my city to that tile. It took almost two weeks after moving when you started to ask when I’m moving away from ”your” area – and didn’t ask nicely. So, you had almost three weeks time to do something. Why didn’t you react as soon as you saw that sov? You surely had to know there’s somebody coming because of that faction hub.
  7. Tsunami members have been communicating about the matter with you. We just desagree. So your information about that whole situation is twisted and not all true. So, as a new tiny alliance Tsunami will be wiped out just because we think and it’s also very clear there is NO such rule? Really? And you still will be talking about common convention? In my books common means that people agree mostly. That’s not hardly the case with this ”rule”.
  8. And finally – if I had asked Bimodas permission to move – wouldn’t I then agree and except ”10-tile rule”? That’s why I didn’t ask.

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Originally posted by Bimoda Bimoda wrote:

...surprisingly enough this little action has almost as many posts as the H? Peace Terms post for a war that has been going on for Months.  I guess people are just bored.


Originally posted by Deranzin Deranzin wrote:

Wow this topic is so much "fun" ...

...So, what exactly IS the whole debate about .?.

I think the appeal here is that there are several layers to this thread. War and territory are the hottest items in the forum. This thread has both. Also, there are a lot of new forum members who are only just now getting a taste of how rancorous the forum can get and who are interested in this debate because it affects them, albeit indirectly. The war, even though still going on, is practically over and is old news for most. This thread came along at the right time to draw attention.

I've had more cities drop down within 10 of me or my alliance mates, unannounced than I've had players contact any of us for permission, or to at least let us know. Based on that and the abundance of cities that can be found closer than the so called rule of 10 (outside of the newb ring), I'm thinking there are quite a few players and alliances who don't abide by it. Some of you say that if asked, you'll allow it. So, it's not a rule to keep cities further than 10. For those who try to implement it, it's a rule to dictate who can and who cannot settle nearby.

The 10 square rule is based on game mechanics. It has been extended, by alliance policy to include more than the developers designed it to encompass. Many alliances don't abide by it. Some on both sides are willing to take it to war.

Myll is pushing his members to go into places they are not welcomed. Who knows what the point of this is? If it's simply to be provocative, and there are so many other ways to do that, what's the point? Is the territory so coveted? I don't think so. There is so much room in TBL, it's overwhelming when viewed in comparison to Elgea. I just don't get it.

Fairy says they have exhausted diplomacy. They have announced that they will be taking down Myll, one city at a time until he relents and calls for the removal of the violating city. If diplomacy is not working, as they say, this seems like a good strategy to me.

It looks fairly cut and dry, in my opinion. One alliance, with more power is dictating how and where another alliance, with less power can play.

Edited by abstractdream - 11 Jul 2014 at 19:28
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So you still haven't answered my question, is this aggression solely aimed at Myll, as was originally proposed or as TanyaFairy states who ever is leader?
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