Actions against Myll of [Wave]

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   @Aurordan: You may not agree with the policy, but it is one that most of the Illy community abides by. 

We are not looking to pick on a smaller alliance.  In fact, we decided against going after the smaller members who were directed to put their cities there. We are putting the responsibility on the alliance leader who pushed them to flaunt convention and not even ask for permission. 

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Bimoda Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 04 Jun 2014 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 121	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bimoda Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 04:51
	@Aurordan: You may not agree with the policy, but it is one that most of the Illy community abides by. We are not looking to pick on a smaller alliance. In fact, we decided against going after the smaller members who were directed to put their cities there. We are putting the responsibility on the alliance leader who pushed them to flaunt convention and not even ask for permission.
	Bimoda - Dragon Fairy: Illyria Fairy Nation [FAIRY]

Aurordan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Player Council - Ambassador Joined: 21 Sep 2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 982	Post Options Post Reply Quote Aurordan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 04:18
	Yeah this is crap. That city is well away from either of your cities, in competition for no sovereignty you could possibly want. If you want to kick some newb alliances's teeth in for fun, at least think of a better excuse. This "Ten Square" crap has been excessive and unnecessary since day one, and a lot more people realize it than you seem to think.

Gemley Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster Joined: 20 Feb 2011 Location: Ralidor Status: Offline Points: 586	Post Options Post Reply Quote Gemley Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 03:51
	I am glad Fairy is standing up for themselves. Good luck in the fight, and may this matter be settled swiftly before too much blood is shed.
	�I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend� - J.R.R. Tolkien

Aquennomi Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List New Poster Joined: 26 Jul 2012 Location: IN Status: Offline Points: 32	Post Options Post Reply Quote Aquennomi Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 03:50
	Negotiation tried abstract. Was mentioned in initial post.

abstractdream Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Location: Oarnamly Status: Offline Points: 1857	Post Options Post Reply Quote abstractdream Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 03:43
	By the way, semantics here BUT... The only rule in effect is the game mechanics rule. Everything else is policy. Alliances have policies and it is up to them to determine how far they are willing to go to enforce said policies.
	Bonfyr Verboo

abstractdream Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Location: Oarnamly Status: Offline Points: 1857	Post Options Post Reply Quote abstractdream Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 03:35
	Don't mistake my doubt about your claim for a dove approach. I believe if you believe, you should do what you believe is right. If you are willing to commit your account(s) to the cause, more power to you. I don't think the majority of players agree with your statements, or mine for that matter. Most will urge negotiation. I say pull the trigger if you are willing to accept the results. It is certainly true that a nearby unallied city will block friendly exodus. The obvious answer is to make a NAP. I think the only way to effectively fight an alliance encroaching on your territory is to lay claim to it with cities. If they are determined to continue sending in lots of cities, they will be at a distinct disadvantage with the maximum level 12 everything and 5 day military moratorium imposed on cities after exodus. Edited by abstractdream - 10 Jul 2014 at 03:46
	Bonfyr Verboo

Bimoda Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 04 Jun 2014 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 121	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bimoda Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 02:03
	@abstract: With the 10 square rule for exodusing, it makes no sense to use a 6 square rule. As it is the community consensus is 10 squares. We have 10 squares posted in our alliance profile. They are aware that it is against the standard for players in the game and they choose to blatantly continue with their policy. Game wise, they are correct, there is nothing keeping them from doing it. Also correct is the fact that we have the right to take action against Myll for doing it. The worst part is he is indoctrinating new players into his style of play that will make it more of a problem in the future if it is not quelled now.

Bimoda Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Wordsmith Joined: 04 Jun 2014 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 121	Post Options Post Reply Quote Bimoda Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 01:53
	Unfortunately, that is not the only city that they've done this with and they made clear that the policy would continue. It is not just the spot by the Hub.

Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brandmeister Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 01:48
	@abstract: the problem with that suggestion as a blanket policy is that a single unallied city nearby will automatically block friendly exodus.

Brandmeister Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postmaster General Joined: 12 Oct 2012 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 2396	Post Options Post Reply Quote Brandmeister Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 01:46
	I haven't been a fan of WAVE's policy about ignoring sov claims on mines and herbs. However, the Fairy city in question here is right on top of Tringar Trading Post. When you place cities immediately adjacent to a faction hub, I think you weaken your claim to 10 squares. No individual or alliance can truly own a hub, as evidenced by Centrum. There are very few friendly factions in the Wastes, which strengthens the case for sharing the hub area. It's impolite not to request settlement permission, but given the specific circumstances, I'd say the reaction is somewhat excessive.