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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nokigon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 11:48
Godwin's Law is strong in this one.
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- 
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) was a prominent Protestant pastor who emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps.

If this game allows this type of behavior of the great partnerships with small, is not interesting playing here. That happened in real life a long time and gives bears repeating in a game. Where should new players stay?, in concentration camps?, reservations?.

If the veteran players of good will do nothing, this game will die and will deserve to die.

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Originally posted by Bimoda Bimoda wrote:

Let it be known that we harbor no ill will towards the rest of the Tsunami alliance.  None of their other members will be bothered by us unless they join in the battle or support Myll (either with military or diplomatic units).



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Originally posted by TanyaFairy TanyaFairy wrote:

Hi Everyone

we will next target Myll's alt. After that we will  target the next alliance leader....whoever that may be.



Originally posted by TanyaFairy TanyaFairy wrote:

Hi Everyone

Our action is solely against Myll



So are you solely targeting Myll or not?  You seem to be saying two different things.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Steven Quincy Urpel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 07:22
WAVE does not appear to have any veteran accounts other than Myll's, so you might wanna reconsider your options if you wipe out his cities and nothing comes of it. Just my two cents.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TanyaFairy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 06:29
Hi Everyone

no, the alliance has been told that if they still refuse to move the city or even negotiate about it we will next target Myll's alt. After that we will  target the next alliance leader....whoever that may be.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 06:17
Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

I'm curious why this minor disagreement went straight to razing cities.
typically, a new settlement within 10 squares would (ultimately, if no agreement could be reached) be razed by the offended alliance. my guess (and it is only that) would be that, as the logic here is that Myll is standing in for the player who has settled closely, Fairy is simply applying that remedy to the leadership rather than to the actual offender.

so if Myll is actually playing, one might hope that he will take notice and make some response. if he is not, Fairy might raze everything he has and still have no remedy to the offence...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RorschachRev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 05:34
What's to discuss? penalize the offending player and if his alliance wants to alter his behavior as a means of protecting him from his consequences then by all means, discuss it between alliances. Raze away - but be willing to allow the player to move his city as he should have in the first place. Lesson learned, on with life.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Aurordan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 05:11
Your stance here seems to be drifting more and more toward you not liking what was written on their alliance profile.  I'm just not convinced that's a valid reason to siege people.

This would, I'm pretty sure, have made it into public debate anyway, when the siege notifications came up, if nothing else.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Jul 2014 at 03:21
I don't really understand the logic of this argument. At first you condemned WAVE's actions for being outside the community accepted norms of Illyriad. Then, when people were critical of your raze intentions (which are also outside community accepted norms), you justify them by speculating about the meaning of statements on WAVE's alliance profile. If the entire cornerstone of your justification is the violation of community consensus, then violating community consensus seems like an awfully strange way to proceed.

I have no particular objection to you flattening this dude. I object to the elaborate dog-and-pony shows that seem to be part of Illyriad warfare. Brids is right, this should have been done quietly and without forum posts. I've rarely seen anything positive come from PR-style statements on the forums.
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