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Originally posted by nighthawk7 nighthawk7 wrote:


I would personally do it more of a courtesy but if its a spot I really wanted then I'd still go there.  If we were a larger alliance and able to defend ourselves this wouldn't be an issue.

/disclaimer I'm a member of Fairy

I don't think that that is true NightHawk - Fairy is good sized, yet I was asked to move my town when I had settled my third city within the 10 of another player (and just barely within 10 at that, not within 6!) and I know others within Fairy have done so as well.   I've been involved in several 'you're too close, oops sorry! conversations from the side of the town whose 10 squares were moved in on as well.   In one or two cases we assisted in a move because the spot was already being held for an alliance member, in others we agreed to leave the town in place.

The alliances have varied in size, but I know when it happened to a friend the alliance was *much* smaller than Tsunami (about 5 members) and after some back in forth she agreed to allow the town to stay, with agreement that they could claim the food sov they had  settled next to, but that they would not dispute ownership of the herb spots they had also settled by that were in her 5.  

The difference is that they didn't try to claim that the player-rule was one that could be flouted at will, without repercussions.  In other words - you can do whatever you want within 5 or 10 squares of someone else, but don't be surprised if they take offense and retaliate!  While I and others in Fairy tend to play it as an online Civ game (I primarily harvest and trade) it IS still a game that supports and encourages pvp.
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Originally posted by nighthawk7 nighthawk7 wrote:

Originally posted by Aquennomi Aquennomi wrote:

Did they not offer Myll's cities to [WAVE] members?   Did they not offer to leave "violating" cities in place and help them grow?  Did they not offer a way to avoid future conflicts and even need to Sov?  Seems like they made it easy for the new members and alliance to grow, without impeding on their own growth potentials.   With out a NAP, neither side can bring new cities in without the expense and time of Sov,  Seems logical to this orc.  

In my opinion all those were good.  However, its the main requirement that we would not like in that it involves the 10 square "rule".  Its not our rule so why would we agree to that?  My opinion only I'm not a leader.

The only problem with your argument Nighthawk it that it can easily be turned around. Fairy can as easily say your policy is not theirs so why should they agree to it. That is the purpose of dialogue and negotiation. Fairy have offered to help you find places to grow and expand, yet all we have heard from your side is we don't like the 10 square rule. 

With the opening of BL the crowding issue has been alleviated for a while, as a fairly new player myself, (I started about 2 weeks before LoU closed), I too was rather worried about how I was going to grow or find anywhere to carve out a spot for myself especially with the 10 square rule.
I too thought I would never gain access to any worthwhile resources when they all seemed to already be occupied.

However, you can't realistically expect to have this when you are a new player, unless you are at there for the start of a game established players are always going to have the better spots when you arrive and the resources and knowledge to secure them for themselves. To expect to be on an equal footing or to be the ones making and enforcing policy is perhaps a trifle ambitious.

If you are really that opposed to the 10 square rule and negotiation because of it, I would recommend taking up Fairy's offer taking the time to grow and when you have gathered strength and influence, then try and make a change from within, this may take 12 months or more but you can continue to try and change people's minds whilst you are growing through dialogue.

This would appear to me to be a much more pragmatic way of trying to achieve your goals as opposed to a futile military stance you are in no position to support.
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I personally will and have found spaces away from cities... I want it for my own growth.  I think her city was tactical in that it was near the hub and based on spots?  I don't know all the true benefits of the tiles and benefits of them other than large food spots for population.  We also want to be in the wastes....

Infact I harvest regularly inside the "5 tile rule" or whatever you call it.  I did have someone destroy my caravans and send spies to my city... warning received and I stopped around that person.. asked another for permission as well.  

I would personally do it more of a courtesy but if its a spot I really wanted then I'd still go there.  If we were a larger alliance and able to defend ourselves this wouldn't be an issue.
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@Rikoo  My apologies, I had no idea that was against the rules.

Originally posted by Bimoda Bimoda wrote:

Well at least we now know that Gaia can speak.

You say that I did not ask nicely? Here is my IGM to you.

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Originally posted by nighthawk7 nighthawk7 wrote:



In my opinion all those were good.  However, its the main requirement that we would not like in that it involves the 10 square "rule".  Its not our rule so why would we agree to that?  My opinion only I'm not a leader.




So you would rather cause conflict, than a simple IGM to "ask for permission" that 99 times out of 100 will be given freely,  and the other time a better for you suggestion will be made?   Seems self destructive to me.


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Originally posted by Aquennomi Aquennomi wrote:

Did they not offer Myll's cities to [WAVE] members?   Did they not offer to leave "violating" cities in place and help them grow?  Did they not offer a way to avoid future conflicts and even need to Sov?  Seems like they made it easy for the new members and alliance to grow, without impeding on their own growth potentials.   With out a NAP, neither side can bring new cities in without the expense and time of Sov,  Seems logical to this orc.  

In my opinion all those were good.  However, its the main requirement that we would not like in that it involves the 10 square "rule".  Its not our rule so why would we agree to that?  My opinion only I'm not a leader.
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I honestly think it is coming down to a case of "I came from LoU and I want it my way or else". 

Although I'm loath to admit it, I cam from LoU also.  I love this game and the fact that there are game rules and player devises "rules".    I was fortunate enough to find my way into a group that is very helpful to new players and respectful of others.  I've come to expect that from other groups out there and happily I've found it even from alliances that many have conflicts with.  


Originally posted by Aquennomi Aquennomi wrote:

Did they not offer Myll's cities to [WAVE] members?   Did they not offer to leave "violating" cities in place and help them grow?  Did they not offer a way to avoid future conflicts and even need to Sov?  Seems like they made it easy for the new members and alliance to grow, without impeding on their own growth potentials.   With out a NAP, neither side can bring new cities in without the expense and time of Sov,  Seems logical to this orc.  
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Originally posted by Cancarix Cancarix wrote:

I understand you Hora, Mussolini always agree Hitler. You are the same.

I find it sad when everybody in this forum so far regardless of whether they agree or not has managed to express their opinions in a civilised manner, that you have to resort to insulting somebody you disagree with. 

One of the things I really like about the Illy community is the way that people tend to treat others with respect. If this is something you have problems with I hope you do lose your interest in playing or at least participating in forums and move on.
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Did they not offer Myll's cities to [WAVE] members?   Did they not offer to leave "violating" cities in place and help them grow?  Did they not offer a way to avoid future conflicts and even need to Sov?  Seems like they made it easy for the new members and alliance to grow, without impeding on their own growth potentials.   With out a NAP, neither side can bring new cities in without the expense and time of Sov,  Seems logical to this orc.  
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Well at least we now know that Gaia can speak.

You say that I did not ask nicely? Here is my IGM to you.

EDIT: (from the rules section)

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Do not post any more IGMs. The next person who does can be banned from the forums.


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Edited by GM Rikoo - 11 Jul 2014 at 20:22
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