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Aurordan 
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 Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 04:18 |
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Yeah this is crap. That city is well away from either of your cities, in competition for no sovereignty you could possibly want. If you want to kick some newb alliances's teeth in for fun, at least think of a better excuse. This "Ten Square" crap has been excessive and unnecessary since day one, and a lot more people realize it than you seem to think.
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Bimoda
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 04:51 |
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@Aurordan: You may not agree with the policy, but it is one that most of the Illy community abides by.
We are not looking to pick on a smaller alliance. In fact, we decided against going after the smaller members who were directed to put their cities there. We are putting the responsibility on the alliance leader who pushed them to flaunt convention and not even ask for permission. |
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Bimoda - Dragon Fairy: Illyria Fairy Nation [FAIRY]
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Aurordan
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 05:01 |
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A dubious convention doesn't absolve you of responsibility for your actions. How was this town in any way harming you? This is really a thing you're burning down cities over?
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Brandmeister
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 05:26 |
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Dan, to me this looks more like friction between two alliances who inhabit the same region. WAVE seems to be a new, somewhat defiant group of rookies. Fairy is the established alliance.
Biomoda, you shouldn't be surprised that threatening to squash some newbs (or even just their newb leader) over a minor dispute will draw criticism. I'd speculate that if the conflict is perceived to get out of hand, you could even see action from regional powers to stabilize the situation. WAVE is, after all, only 4% of Fairy's size. This community tends to scrutinize such conflicts, even when the little guys are clearly being abrasive. |
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TanyaFairy
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 06:21 |
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Hi Everyone
I just want to make it clear that we are in no way Declaring War over this. Our action is solely against Myll, who instructed his new players to disregard even the respect of contacting the other alliance player and discussing placing a city there. Aurodan we did discuss this internally before we started this action. We also discussed the fact that we probably would have let the new player settle there if they had contacted us. After all, as has been pointed out this case, there is a hub close by. But the fact is they did not contact us, he refused to even discuss with us or even admit that the right thing to do would have been for him or the new player to contact us. Whether it is a game rule or not, it is our rule. It is a rule that, since he won't even discuss with us, we are going to enforce when we might not have. We do not have a problem with Wave, our issue is with Myll, who pushes his new players into rash acts. Any other alliance would do the same as us. We have tried and exhausted negotiations, now we are done talking. This notice is not to ask other alliances to give us permission to enforce our rules. Rules that our players abide by when we expand. At no time has another alliance come to us with a problem do we ignore them and disrespect their rules. Myll's actions have consequences. Consequences that we are going out of our way to make sure do not fall upon innocent new players in WAVE who don't have the experience to know better.
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Brandmeister
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 07:08 |
Maybe I'm a bit old fashioned, but razing an alliance leader's cities is typically considered an Act of War. Pushing the big red Declare War button on the alliance screen seems like a mere formality. |
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bansisdead
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 08:03 |
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"We in Fairy/Fairi are not aggressively militaristic, but..."
ah the thing people say just before they're about to be aggressive militaristically. |
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Nokigon
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 09:13 |
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I don't see what the big deal is about.
When WAVE first announced their contempt of the ten square rule, it was made clear that they could do whatever they wanted but they had better have the forces to back themselves up. In my opinion, the qualities or otherwise of the 10 square rule notwithstanding, when an alliance chooses to deliberately defy a policy without prior arrangement it should be ready for the consequences of those actions. An alliance shouldn't be free to do whatever they want to do without consequences due to size. |
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Bimoda
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 14:11 |
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When we posted our intentions, we knew that it would draw criticism from some. Whenever a conflict or disagreement comes up we've always been ones to try and talk things out first. With the majority of the fine players in Illy, this is the only thing that needs to be done. In this situation, the only response was, The Game Let's Us Do It, You Can't Tell Us What To Do (Paraphrased). It's a symptom of an issue that they profess that they will continue to do and as they grow, it will become a bigger issue.
We did not need to post this, but I felt that it was important to let the rank and file of [Wave] see that we are on record as not wanting to go after them. I even took the step of sending IGMs to every other member of their alliances to make sure they were aware of the actions we are taking. I do not know many (if any) other alliances that would have taken those steps. Abstractdream brought up a point that we definitely discussed beforehand. Why not an NAP. Here is why. If they are being as hard-lined as they are about their "right" to flaunt convention, why would we want to put ourselves in a position to rely upon them and an NAP to continue with our own plans for colonizing an area? Myll chose the path that they are on when he decided to play in the style that he is. He did it knowing that it was against convention and that there could be consequences. Hopefully the rest of the leadership of [Wave] will learn from Myll's mistake and we can all continue playing respectfully. Edited by Bimoda - 10 Jul 2014 at 14:12 |
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Neytiri
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Posted: 10 Jul 2014 at 15:40 |
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Try and have fun, too.
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