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    Posted: 07 Jan 2012 at 06:44
i think the system works as is if you regulate it any more it will get ridiculous. and yes i know some have been kept active for the good of the alliance. but the 90 days is good enough only a quarter of the year. not a whole lot. i would be more concerned about password sharing then the sitting stuff as with any system there will be abuses.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 23:18
Originally posted by liberty6 liberty6 wrote:

from my reading it seems everybody is interpreting the issue differently and some have no idea what they are talking about.... now the system has some safe guards ie cannot permanently babysit the account. also you can only sit 2 accounts and you can appoint 2 sitters that in of itself can prevent abuse as appoint 2 sitters and give them the same set of instructions.

many of the vets in the game know about sitting and the risks if you appoint someone and they screw your account up its your fault as it makes it clear what your getting into.
 
 
On the other hand, anyone who's played the game any significant amount of time can think of at least once instance where an inactive account was kept active "for the good of the alliance" or whatever other reason through the sitter function.  Even if no one says it outright.
 
It's less about abuse of active vacationing players accounts and more about it being used to keep inactives from being suspended.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 17:55
Originally posted by White Beard White Beard wrote:

Why not have a holiday / vacation function in place?
The account owner activates this function and all activities in the account stops, research building troop making etc.
And give a sort of newbie protection so attacks are impossible.
 

I totally disagree!

The vacation/holiday function was abused in many similar games. The player that was attacked just entered vacation mode and waited for some time until war ended. In Illyriad sometimes weeks are needed to mount any offence and all those preparations would be for nothing if player could simply enter vacation for 14 days... We would also see a large amounts of "holiday" player towns on the map from people that simply quit. 

About sitting.
I'm pretty sure that many players are sitting 4 accounts from players that left on permanent basis. That is a problem since it gives them a lot more tactical advantage and resources... That is an abuse that must stop. Even 90 days per year can be abused since year long queues on advanced resources are not hard to create and a player can simply rob those accounts to get them and has a nice little farm in backyard. I would rather see that account gets suspended after it has no sitting time left and 90 days have passed since last login of the original owner. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 2012 at 02:39
from my reading it seems everybody is interpreting the issue differently and some have no idea what they are talking about.... now the system has some safe guards ie cannot permanently babysit the account. also you can only sit 2 accounts and you can appoint 2 sitters that in of itself can prevent abuse as appoint 2 sitters and give them the same set of instructions.

many of the vets in the game know about sitting and the risks if you appoint someone and they screw your account up its your fault as it makes it clear what your getting into.
whats happened to the world? if intelegent life came to earth is RL would they consider us intelligent or not? probably not!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 2012 at 05:35
I suggest having options for sitters.  So you can trust a sitter from just production, to sending out units, and other higher functions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 2012 at 20:44
As a newbie in here I am looking in from outside I guess but what Whitebeard said seems to make a lot of sense and nullifies most of the concerns expressed - several years ago in another similar game, after a long illness I found I had almost lost everything I had ever built up so reluctantly abandoned it all and never returned. 

Whitebeard - " Why not have a holiday / vacation function in place?
The account owner activates this function and all activities in the account stops, research building troop making etc.
And give a sort of newbie protection so attacks are impossible."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 02:53
Players that sign up using an outside service (facebook, etc) will not receive an Illy password, as they are technically using an outside password via the service. 

Sharing your Illyriad account info and password is strictly forbidden. Don't do it or you could risk losing your account. 

Hope that helps clarify.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 02:12
Very true Rill but the way that is now, it can easily be argued against.  The whole "If we provide you with a user ID and password" sounds like they were just referring to the website when they wrote that, if they wrote it.

To me it just sounds like the login info to the Illyriad main website. Not to the game itself. But I could be wrong, but it does not sound like it was written to include the game. Guess "other content or services" could mean the game but oh well.  Not really the place to discuss this.

I still believe the sitting should be changed and I'm glad it is still on the table. Though I do hope stuff like this does not stop other things from being brought forward with.

Edit: So we don't end up hijacking this topic I sent a message asking GM Luna. I'll post back here if/when she responds. If the response is not made public.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 01:31
It's under Restricted Access, Quackers:

If we provide you with a user ID and password to enable you to access restricted areas of our website or other content or services, you must ensure that that user ID and password is kept confidential.

If you're thinking they could have stated it more clearly, I agree.  I seem to recall it is stated more clearly elsewhere, I will look for it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jan 2012 at 01:27
Originally posted by Rill Rill wrote:

I suppose if account sitting weren't allowed, people would be tempted to violate the Terms of Service by sharing password information.  Perhaps that would cause more problems than eliminating account sitting would solve?


There is nothing in the rules or Terms of Service against sharing passwords or accounts. I have read through both and did not see anything, I also searched for key words like account and password and found nothing that says you cannot share accounts.

If your going to be away from the game for a very long period of time then I would see why sitting or even account sharing would be useful.

But I do believe that an account that has not been logged into by a player in over 3/6 months should be suspended or locked until the player logs onto the account. Locked meaning that a sitter cannot log onto the account but the account is not fully suspended yet, and can be unlocked by logging onto the account directly.

Something to that effect might solve the problem more the anything. Since this is the suggestions page I would just like to add in my suggestion. Though I should have just made a new topic, sorry for posting here. 


Edited by Quackers - 01 Jan 2012 at 01:29
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