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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arakamis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 23:29
If you can't log into your account at least once in 3 months, or let's make it 6 months when a sitter is assigned, then maybe you shouldn't be playing a mmo game at all..

I have been a GM in an online game for about 6 years, and in that game in order to sit another account, you should get permission from GMs. Not a bad practice imo, and believe me it doesn't add too much pressure on GMs as well. 30k users and we were receiving only 3-5 sitting requests a month.

Of course, it doesn't work with the current petition system and current DEV involvement in illyriad, which is imo a far more critical problem.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 23:00
That would be a better start to limiting combat drone permasat accounts. The approach would need to be improved to allow for self defense. After all, people eventually find out who is away, and sitting isn't much good if you can't defend the city or its sov claims (like mines and herbs). Hostile diplos could be limited, though.

Hindering the army and diplomatic corps doesn't solve the problem of resource generators (or the problem other folks have with good map locations being taken).

Edited by Brandmeister - 15 Dec 2013 at 23:00
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Caconafyx Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 22:42
My suggestion would be to stop sitters from either making troops or issuing ATTACK or SIEGE orders to existing armies on a sat account.

But I don't have a problem with sat accounts being used as a resource generator, especially for training alliances. Most of us have been in one, and most of us have enjoyed the advantage of a resource rich sat account
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sloter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 22:13
Maybe good start would be to reduce number of accounts that player can choose to sit for, one is enough.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 22:00
Originally posted by Angrim Angrim wrote:

beyond that, the idea that i might not spend prestige on my account today, which i am actively playing, because it might someday become a perma-sat account and the sitter might not be able to access all the fruits of that expenditure seems quite far-fetched. i don't think i believe that most players spend prestige hoping to build a really attractive account for someone else to sit.

I would speculate that far more than half of big permasat accounts were from players who thought they were coming back, but then didn't. I wasn't saying that people envision making themselves into a permasat account, and spend prestige towards that specific end. I was saying that if you radically change the sitting rules, that might change prestige buying patterns because people don't think they can ever take a break without losing their investment. Sitting can be abused, but there remains a valid underlying use case for people who are busy with work, school, or other real life situations. I haven't seen any proposals to limit permasitting that didn't also cause problems for the valid and intended function of account sitting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 21:55
Originally posted by Angrim Angrim wrote:


Originally posted by DeathDealer89 DeathDealer89 wrote:

In fact since u believe sat accounts are largely stored in training alliances which ship res to new players its likely sat accounts generate prestige purchases in new players.
not sure where this came from. i believe that some sat accounts are stored in training alliances. i have no opinion on how many or what percentage of them are, and i would imagine that most are used as farm accounts for established players, not for newbs.

I believe they would be used for both purposes. Basic resources for newbs, advanced resources and gold for the primary accounts. If an account isn't building troops or actual buildings, then the warehouse is most likely full of basics.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 21:22
Originally posted by DeathDealer89 DeathDealer89 wrote:

In fact since u believe sat accounts are largely stored in training alliances which ship res to new players its likely sat accounts generate prestige purchases in new players.
not sure where this came from. i believe that some sat accounts are stored in training alliances. i have no opinion on how many or what percentage of them are, and i would imagine that most are used as farm accounts for established players, not for newbs.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 21:17
Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

That describes most Illyriad players. However, it is likely that big permasat accounts had prestige spent in the past (otherwise they probably wouldn't be worth sitting). Therefore, many of those accounts represent spent money, and punishing them somehow would just discourage future expenditures, because you know your investment might ultimately be wasted.
you are both ignoring that "most" is not "all". the entire game is funded on the 10-12% of players that buy prestige. yes, i suppose that percentage could suddenly and inexplicably change, but to suppose that in a hypothetical is quite arbitrary. would more players come/stay/spend because there are better situations available on the map? i think i know the answer, but i won't try further to persuade.

beyond that, the idea that i might not spend prestige on my account today, which i am actively playing, because it might someday become a perma-sat account and the sitter might not be able to access all the fruits of that expenditure seems quite far-fetched. i don't think i believe that most players spend prestige hoping to build a really attractive account for someone else to sit.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brandmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 21:11
Aug, there is nothing wrong with advocating for a policy change. Talking is a valid way to "deal with it". If you prefer silence, enjoy.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote st aug Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 21:07
It's part of the game . You don't have to like it or even do it . But you do have to deal with it . Let them sit all they want there's nothing we can do about so why worrier or even care . Sit away
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