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Originally posted by Brandmeister Brandmeister wrote:

As I have said in many other permasitter threads:

If you remove or cripple the sitter function, it will only encourage players to give their login and password to other players. That's a security problem. The security risk outweighs the in-game problems caused by permasitters.

Is anyone assuming that passing of accounts and dualling isn't happening now? I've seen the sitter function being abused with intimidation in other games so not very keen on that as a security blanket.

I'd like to see all accounts deleted around the 1000-1200 day mark - limited life in a permanent world.


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Originally posted by Binky the Berserker Binky the Berserker wrote:

I don't see any problems in perma sitting. There's still a limit on the number of accounts (6 instead of 2) and it is available for everyone. It's not unfair, because everybody can use it and sat accounts are nowhere as good as the standard accounts a player can have. I don't even think it's possible to play 6 accounts unless one would stop sleeping and working. 

The problem with permasat accounts is leeching gold. One could have 4 permasat accounts in some training alliance, only to produce large amounts of gold and resources. The player need not even play the farm accounts - he just has to log in once a month to ship the gold and resources. That main account could then hold troop numbers that are not possible to sustain by a normal player.

If you remember, there was some outrage during the start of this war when some 'inactive' accounts outside of any alliances were targeted and destroyed.

Sat accounts being leeched for years and years is not good for the game imo. 

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Sorry, Ander, but I don't see your point. You call players without sitting accounts "normal" but imo they are just plain stupid for not using the rules to their advanage. Like I said, everybody can do it, so everybody is able to sustain same troop numbers.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Dec 2013 at 16:57
That is true Binky, not using farming accounts puts you at a disadvantage. The only thing 'normal' about it is that most people doesn't use farm accounts. 

I am not sure if not holding sitter accounts (or not having alt accounts) qualifies someone as stupid though. That is the way many people like to play. It is only a personal preference to not use it. 

Letting players create as many accounts as they wish can also be called fair (as the rules are same for everyone). Despite that most online games restrict players to one account per server. Again it is only a personal opinion that permasitting/multi-accounts should be disabled in the game. 


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Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

That is true Binky, not using farming accounts puts you at a disadvantage. The only thing 'normal' about it is that most people doesn't use farm accounts. 

I am not sure if not holding sitter accounts (or not having alt accounts) qualifies someone as stupid though. That is the way many people like to play. It is only a personal preference to not use it. 

Letting players create as many accounts as they wish can also be called fair (as the rules are same for everyone). Despite that most online games restrict players to one account per server. Again it is only a personal opinion that permasitting/multi-accounts should be disabled in the game. 



Permanent sitting is just a loophole around having more than two accounts. 
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Originally posted by ES2 ES2 wrote:

 
Permanent sitting is just a loophole around having more than two accounts. 

That is my 'opinion' too.

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Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:



I am not sure if not holding sitter accounts (or not having alt accounts) qualifies someone as stupid though.



Never said someone was stupid. The action is stupid, just as a lot of my own actions are. Didn't mean to insult. To be more precisely: I don't thinks it shows great brains when people complain about others doing something that they could do themself, unless they have ethic reasons to not do it.
Personally I can't see any ethic reasons against permasitting.   
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i don't like that idea. I won't be able to come online for an year because of my studies. I don't want to loose my account. so a sitter is my only way.
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You can log in once a month in order not to loose your account. Join a training alliance, set up long queues and log in once a month. That simple.

Permanent sitting should not be allowed. and maybe we need to define "permanent sitting".

This is just a loophole as others have pointed out as well.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 16:14
Originally posted by Binky the Berserker Binky the Berserker wrote:

Never said someone was stupid.
yes, actually, you did.
Originally posted by Binky the Berserker Binky the Berserker wrote:

You call players without sitting accounts "normal" but imo they are just plain stupid for not using the rules to their advanage.
if you're going to deny something, you should at least destroy the evidence. ;)

both Binky's and Brandmeister's comments seem to beg the question: why have an account limit at all? doesn't a limit of two accounts also "encourage" people to cheat the system, signing up relatives and using alternate email addresses? and yet, there is the rule, because for whatever reason the devs decided to have it. i wonder if those who do not see an issue with the sitter rules see a purpose to the account limit. because if not, it's understandable that they wouldn't be bothered by the way current sitting use subverts it.

i do not see that the security problems inherent to giving away a password become the devs' problem if sitting rules change. as players are responsible for the actions of their sitters, the only risk added if they choose to give away their password is that the new owner will "steal" the account. that seems a fitting end for those prepared to violate the ToS.

that said, limiting the ability of a sitter to look after the account seems to undermine the purpose of sitting at all. indeed, as exodus is increasingly used as a defensive tactic, i wonder if the sitting abilities should be expanded to include relocation. i would find the game more enjoyable (and land would be used better) if sitting rules were shored up, but i would prefer that it were done via the usual purge rules--specifically, resetting the purge date only when the original owner of the account logs in. in that way, accounts could be maintained only for 90d or so without the continuing involvement of the original owner.
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