Abandoned Mine?

My mine is mine to mine

The_Dude wrote: GC as well as the forum is not important at all, imo.  My experience is that bonds among players (hence alliances) have been forged before issues arise and are not swayed by public messages.  Discussions that may or may not lead to participation (which is very different from sounding off on GC/forum) occur privately. As to the idea that somehow "larger" or "top" alliances are somehow controlling "community fair play" is an overstatement of the newbie protection.  There are no Illy-Police settling alliance disputes. In RL, society determines "right" through democratic processes.  Societal "Might" is the means of enforcing the rights determined by that community.  Disputes among citizens are resolved peacefully through the judicial system of impartial judge maintaining fairness of disputed facts and arguments presented to an unbiased jury which applies the democraticly determined law to decide the "legal facts."  To my thinking, the combination of political processes that determined the law through the trial can reasonably be characterized as Might. In Illy the idea that Might Makes Right is more obvious and direct than RL.

This is all pretty much spot on. I'd like to add, however that the Forum is fun. The back and forth between friend and foe alike is entertaining. It certainly does not determine much if anything but without it, how would I spout off?

gameplayer wrote: the way this game is going its whoever has the biggest army is becoming more important than what the majority of what the people in the game want, hopefully games changes corrects this trend, limited sources of v2 materials encourages this type of strategy......

It has *never* been 'majority rule' in Illy. It has been what those who can control dictate. The Illy community has been lucky in that the top 'controlling' alliances have a sense of fair and good play and generally take the long-view in regards to community game play. the consensus of the GC / Forum crowd has always been a means players have used in an attempt to sway the view of those top 'controlling' groups. Sometimes it works for them, sometimes it doesn't but it has never been the determining factor; the determining factor has always been the will of those few who can exert control within the game.

In the sense that most players and certainly most of the veteran players have demonstrated a reasonable sense of fair play i'd still say Rill's twelve point Axiom holds true. If you are in the possession of a city location or sov square and someone who is 'mightier' than you comes and forcibly removes you for no justifiable reason most veteran players and top alliances will view that as foul play and they will more than likely take note of your bad form.

So just to clarify, while 'Might makes Right" may be the final end means of enforcing in-game principles, "Possession is nine-tenths" is the usually the reasoning. - M.


Edited by Meagh - 25 Jan 2013 at 01:29

the way this game is going its whoever has the biggest army is becoming more important than what the majority of what the people in the game want, hopefully games changes corrects this trend, limited sources of v2 materials encourages this type of strategy......

both nine-tenths and eleven points out of twelve mean the same thing.  Regardless, there is no 'law' set in stone or rare minerals so we can argue all we want, the fact is illyriad is  controlled by GC mob-rule.  So it doesn't matter who is right or who has might, what matters is who can shout/cry the loudest in GC.