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HonoredMule 
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 Posted: 19 May 2012 at 20:15 |
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This seems to get lost in the conversation, so I'll just quickly point out that a 10 square space between two cities must accommodate the range of sovereignty reach desired by both cities. Thus, a 10-square minimum between cities only reserves an average 5-square radius for personal sovereignty claims.
This is a very small buffer zone over what cities use for great practical gain today, and still does not account for the fact that not all setups are interested in the nearest squares above other considerations. Production centers in particular would want, after the 8 adjacent squares, the 12 nearby squares with the best production bonus for the targeted resources or unit types.
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dunnoob
Postmaster
Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Location: Elijal
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Points: 800
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 19:51 |
 Brids17 wrote:
It's a little ridiculous getting messages from upset players because someone settled 9.8 squares away from them. |
Just for fun a list of the seven "interesting" distances: - x: 10 9 8 7 6 4 0
- y: 0 4 6 7 8 9 10
- sq: 10.0 9.8 10.0 9.9 10.0 9.8 10.0
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1483
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 19:44 |
nightfury wrote:
You like to ask questions and then expect answers, but you guys(crows) never make your position clear. let me ask a question to you. What is the position of crows in this matter? can I settle next to crow city without asking permission? what is the permissible distance?
I request DLORD and H? not to answer any of Brids Q's till he answer Crows position
he just asks and never makes things clear please ignore till he answers. |
Last I checked, I was a Rook of mCrow, not Rook of all the Crow alliances. If you want to know what Crow or nCrow or CrowW or Calcr or HUGcr thinks of the 10 square rule, you're going to need to ask them. Just like H? and T? are separate alliance, the Crow alliances are too. Furthermore, my stance of the 10 square rule and ScottFitz and Raritor's stance on the 10 square rule are different, so even that depends on who you're asking. If you're asking if mCrow as a whole has come to a decision on it, we haven't. At least not officially.
My personal feelings? I'm undecided. I do think 3-5 squares is too close but to suggest you'll wipe out any armies or cities there is a little extreme. At least without any discussion about it. (not saying that's Dlods position on it, that's why I'm asking...) 10 squares though? I don't know. That's a lot of space and I don't think it's entirely reasonable to have to ask because your intended spot is 9 squares away. Plus a lot of mCrow cities are in Norweld and Meilla, you'd have to ask 50 people if you could move there, it's just not a rule that I think should be all consuming.
In regards to your question, I would say you should honor your alliances rule and respect other peoples 10 square space thingy, even if they don't have that rule. Otherwise it would be pretty hypocritical of you. But personally speaking, as long as you're not grabbing sov in the immediate area of peoples cities, at least in crowded spaces, I wouldn't expect a message.
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Subatoi
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Joined: 01 Mar 2012
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 18:22 |
I don't see why the big issue with this claim,
It was put out by Dlords to detail an area that they wish for solely their alliance and their sov purposes. For economic growth and city defense.
Some of you voice *what will happen to those that land near them* if its a new player then Dlords won't do anything because as said previously they don't have a choice where they land, it's not their fault. However someone blatantly ignoring Dlord wishes and planting a city just to see if they could will most likely get aggression and would deserve it for baiting actions.
If this claim had been stalled to be put on forums there would be more cities in Dlord area and therefor more awkward or harder to insure Dlord security and prosperity as well as a sort of right to those in the area.
Better to install now with minimal non Dlord cities and should you want to settle you can ask.
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Rill
Postmaster General
Player Council - Geographer
Joined: 17 Jun 2011
Location: California
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Points: 6903
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 18:13 |
Brids17 wrote:
Brids17 wrote:
belargyle wrote:
The squares 6-10 are open to negotiations but no action, implementation,
nor shall any troops may be upon Dlord territory without ‘prior’ authorization.
Any such action, settlement, or armies claiming / counter-claiming will be
removed immediately and with extreme prejudice. |
What exactly do you mean by "immediately and with extreme prejudice"? Because to me, that sounds exactly like "without any notice" which I would hope is not the case. Also, if someone settles lets say, 9.X squares away (as in, counting tenths of squares) is that going to be an issue? It's a little ridiculous getting messages from upset players because someone settled 9.8 squares away from them. |
Not sure if you missed this (it was the last post after all) but I would like a response to it... |
And before you say "no one would ever send a mail complaining about someone who settled 9.8 squares away from them" ... yes, they would. And have.
/me sighs
Edited to add: Said person was not in DLords or any large alliance but was a newb in a relatively new alliance. In general, it seems that experienced Illy players don't get their feathers ruffled about such things.
Edited by Rill - 19 May 2012 at 18:15
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nightfury
Greenhorn
Joined: 23 Jun 2011
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Points: 86
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 18:12 |
Brids17 wrote:
Brids17 wrote:
belargyle wrote:
The squares 6-10 are open to negotiations but no action, implementation,
nor shall any troops may be upon Dlord territory without ‘prior’ authorization.
Any such action, settlement, or armies claiming / counter-claiming will be
removed immediately and with extreme prejudice. |
What exactly do you mean by "immediately and with extreme prejudice"? Because to me, that sounds exactly like "without any notice" which I would hope is not the case. Also, if someone settles lets say, 9.X squares away (as in, counting tenths of squares) is that going to be an issue? It's a little ridiculous getting messages from upset players because someone settled 9.8 squares away from them. |
Not sure if you missed this (it was the last post after all) but I would like a response to it... |
You like to ask questions and then expect answers, but you guys(crows) never make your position clear. let me ask a question to you. What is the position of crows in this matter? can I settle next to crow city without asking permission? what is the permissible distance?
I request DLORD and H? not to answer any of Brids Q's till he answer Crows position
he just asks and never makes things clear please ignore till he answers.
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Brids17
Postmaster General
Joined: 30 Jul 2010
Location: Canada
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Points: 1483
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 18:05 |
Brids17 wrote:
belargyle wrote:
The squares 6-10 are open to negotiations but no action, implementation,
nor shall any troops may be upon Dlord territory without ‘prior’ authorization.
Any such action, settlement, or armies claiming / counter-claiming will be
removed immediately and with extreme prejudice. |
What exactly do you mean by "immediately and with extreme prejudice"? Because to me, that sounds exactly like "without any notice" which I would hope is not the case. Also, if someone settles lets say, 9.X squares away (as in, counting tenths of squares) is that going to be an issue? It's a little ridiculous getting messages from upset players because someone settled 9.8 squares away from them. |
Not sure if you missed this (it was the last post after all) but I would like a response to it...
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Raatalagk
Wordsmith
Joined: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Canada
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Points: 154
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 17:23 |
belargyle wrote:
Raatalagk wrote:
Suppose I want to settle a city 8 squares distant from a current DLords city: I mail the corresponding player (call him "X"), and make my request. My impression is that player X essentially has veto power, and can flat out refuse my request. Is this what you intend? Because in that case, although you use the word "negotiation", it seems more like permission-asking. |
Yes - you need to ask permission, if permission says "no", try some negotiation. While many might just opt to give the land at such a distance away, some might like to receive some benefit for giving it away.
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I certainly agree that, when settling a city nearby another city, it is prudent to contact the owner of said city, if only to facilitate a peaceful and amicable relationship. However, I can't say I'm on board with the notion that a player effectively "owns" all squares within 10 squares of any of his cities, giving him the right to deny a bid to settle on any one of them, or even to charge for the privilege.
I applaud your effort to keep ugly situations to a minimum by clearly posting guidelines like these in advance. However, I think you reach too far with your claims. I'm not the boss of Illy, though, so what I personally think may well turn out to matter very little. :)
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belargyle
Forum Warrior
Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Location: USA
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Points: 401
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 16:17 |
Thank you, and to others as well for the support of the document.
It seems something like this (for now) will help in the majority of
cases in having something out there to refer back to (right
threefootthree?  ) hehehe
Edited by belargyle - 19 May 2012 at 16:24
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Kumomoto
Postmaster General
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Posted: 19 May 2012 at 16:15 |
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Bravo, Bela! Imo, a very well stated policy that makes a ton of sense.
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