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Nokigon
Postmaster General
Player Council - Historian Joined: 07 Nov 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1452 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 21:28 |
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People have been purging "heretics" from this game since it began. NC is nothing new, they just happened to be pretty damn good at it.
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Miklabjarnir
Greenhorn
Joined: 07 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 73 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 20:06 |
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This being the mostly benevolent realm of the mostly non-interfering King Sigurd, you do not need anybody to give you a right. You do what you think is right (or beneficial to your goals). Since Illyriad would die of boredom if there were no disagreements, this is a Good Thing® |
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Spheniscidae
Wordsmith
Joined: 01 Mar 2012 Status: Offline Points: 117 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 13:21 |
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Who gave NC the right to purge "heretics" from Illy? More to the point, who gave NC/H? the right to decide who is considered a warmongering heretic, and who is a noble pacifist crusader (who is ironically, waging war to destroy those who want war)? Protecting newbs is very much different from actively seeking out and destroying those who you suspect of wanting to harm newbs... Hubris and arrogance substituting for truth, indeed.
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Shadar Logoth
Wordsmith
Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 127 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 11:28 |
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Sorry John Louis, nice one sided story but I miss research into the past of Illy, the real past.
Furthermore, pointing to some links doesn't make the contents of those links true.
For the longest time I never considered myself an enemy of H? and there was a time when I even respected them.
That respect has taken a mighty tumble however. No one denies H? did some good things in the past, but most older players also know that H? did a lot wrong to. Unfortunately, they became progressively "wrong" instead of "good" which imho opinion lead to this current war.
Anyway, to each his own.
It was at least an entertaining read and I will try and stay positive by assuming that this was an honest effort at trying to inform people about what you think is the trueth.
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More Orc, less talking!
All that is said is my own opinion. I am not a leader nor voice for Invictus. I will always abide by Invictus's rules. |
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Cilcain
Wordsmith
Joined: 13 Oct 2012 Status: Offline Points: 106 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 11:08 |
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Nicely written, and quite entertaining - although, as already mentioned, very one sided. But you're entitled to your opinion of course...
I'm sure it will come as no surprise to you that the sentiments in the OP are not shared by a large percentage of the Illy population. And I trust that the new players you refer to will seek a balanced view of the history of Illyriad, rather than rely upon a single (albeit eloquent) post. I for one will not be petitioning for the beatification of NC and H? members on the back of this post....
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Deranzin
Postmaster
Joined: 10 Oct 2011 Status: Offline Points: 845 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 09:15 |
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A nice tale, but a bit too beautified imho, because not only you cannot attribute everything good on one side only, but telling the tale like that actually usurps the effort of various other alliances through the time that helped fulfill that newbie friendly environment in illyriad, which is not a good thing to do ...
So, if you do not mind, I'll put a soundtrack to the tale to balance things out : http://www.youtube.com/watch/?v=_hMSzggJMJE And this is something that both sides of any conflict, and any time, should listen to
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Diomedes
Forum Warrior
Joined: 26 Mar 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 208 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 08:21 |
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Certainly, this is a whimsical and colourful view of Illy history, which, as is always the case with history, is biased by the perspective of the teller-of-the-tale. I very much enjoyed the read, but will not be tempted to engage in debate on this history's veracity.
Well told, JL
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"Walk in the way of the good, for the righteous will dwell in the land"
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Taelin
Wordsmith
Joined: 22 Jan 2012 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 108 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 07:59 |
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My Shorter Oxford has this to say about 'Treatise': 1. A book or writing which treats of some particular subject; now always,one containing a methodical discussion or exposition of the principles of the subject. 2. A story, tale or narrative - 1605. 3. Negotiation, discussion of terms; arrangement of terms - 1641. Aurordan may well be correct that it is intended in the spirit of the second meaning and certainly there is a commendable imaginative quality to much of it which is supportive of that interpretation. It is obviously fanciful to think that it is really a methodical discussion of principles - although I grant that the author may intend it simply as a pastiche - in which case the sly humour of the concept does amuse. My preferred interpretation is that this is in fact the 1641 usage: in which case I am sure we can come to an arrangement.
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Aurordan
Postmaster
Player Council - Ambassador Joined: 21 Sep 2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 982 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 01:53 |
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Good for a laugh. Would read again. Though this really belongs here.
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John Louis
Greenhorn
Joined: 18 Jun 2011 Status: Offline Points: 99 |
Posted: 20 Feb 2014 at 01:09 |
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A Short Treatise on the Early History of Illyriad (according to John Louis)
I want to start by stating that this post is my creation and mine alone. It is not endorsed by NC or H? or anybody else. These are my views, however, and I believe those who have ears will hear and those who have eyes will see (yet many will remain both deaf and blind) – others may even agree with what I say but not vocalize their agreement for fear of reprisal or even because they just do not care what others think anymore. There will also be some who are not deaf or blind yet will mock, ridicule or even try to discredit this post – nothing can be done to prevent that (they have their own agenda). In any event, here goes: Once upon a time, in a galaxy far far away, Illyriad was created by the forces that be. Many came to populate the lands. Slowly the many peoples of Illyriad settled down and built up their cities. At the same time, those who shared similar views gathered together and created alliances which reflected their political ideologies. Players and alliances alike prospered and grew, and this was a good thing. As time went on certain players and alliances started to develop at a faster pace than others. Eventually, bigger alliances had the clout to dominate this game and force their will on others – this was not so good. During this time an alliance called Harmless ("H?") was formed and, believe it or not, it stood as a beacon of light and example for others. There are those who proliferate the message that, actually, H? is quite evil, it tried to dominate the server and imposed its will on others. Although this myth has grown of late, a little investigation and exploration of now dead alliances can validate that H? at least represented (more or less) everything that people used to love about Illyriad – namely, protecting smaller players and preventing ruthless soldiers of fortune from dominating the server. Words are wind, some might say, but I bring you more than words and hot air. Exhibit 1: http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Alliance/1 The above is a link to the H? alliance page. People should take the time to actually read what it says. It is good stuff and represents ideals that most players (I believe) would accept to be excellent values for all the Illyriad community (if you are not a warmonger, that is). Some may now ask, well who were The White Company and, indeed, The Black Company. These were mercenary alliances, warmakers and sellswords. They had no peaceful values and yearned to become a dominant force within Illyriad. Interesting to note, they were totally destroyed by H? and Illyriad became a safer place to live in as a result. I ask that interested players actually look at these alliance pages to see what they represented. Exhibit 2: http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Alliance/7 Exhibit 3: http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Alliance/Alliance/23 Nothing remains of these alliances because of the early wars fought so long ago. It is important to note that Illyriad developed a reputation for being a very friendly game with helpful players. It was very different from games like Evony and this was recognized by many gaming magazines/websites. Exhibit 4: http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/04/05/mmobility-illyriad-a-kingdom-in-your-pocket/ Exhibit 5:http://vagary.tv/archives/15673 And so it was that Illyriad was set apart from other games, one key virtue being the Illy community itself. Notwithstanding, it became apparent that the only way to maintain peace would be with the capacity to enforce that peace militarily if need be (yes, somewhat ironic I know). In my view this was one of the reasons for the creation of the Night Crusaders ("NC") alliance – a strong military arm. NC became extremely effective and proceeded to purge Illyriad of heretics hungry for war wherever they could find them (irony again...perhaps, but it got the job done and peace, for the large part, was maintained in Illyriad). For the sake of completeness, I should stress that NC is in fact a military alliance and enjoys fighting a good fight. It certainly makes the game a whole lot more fun when you can explore all aspects of gameplay. There is a time and place for warfare, yet there should be no place for the bullying of small players and alliances who are themselves peaceful. Also, I must point out that naturally there have been many wars where H? and NC have not been involved (and some where one but not the other has participated). H? and NC, I understand, have never wanted to be a UN-like entity and on many occasions have pointedly refused to become involved in disputes. However, I am not going to go into these other wars and the issues surrounding them as otherwise there would be no end to my writing (perhaps another day). Anyway, as time went on other alliances rose and fell, yet H? remained constant. Nonetheless, the time came when other alliances also became big and strong and started to impose their will on smaller, weaker alliances. When H? decided to assist the victims of these other alliances it did so swiftly and decisively. Their justification was to prevent the bullying of smaller alliances, and they did this very effectively indeed. This led to the more recent Illyriad wars which have not yet been totally forgotten. Nonetheless, the aggressors were decisively defeated as well, however, they were not obliterated as White and Black had been as they were not inherently 'evil' alliances, they were just alliances who had 'evil' players/leaders within. H? allowed the alliances to rebuild and live on, once the bad apples had been removed. Even the bad apples were not destroyed, though now it may seem that they should have been. They were totally defeated and so they surrendered. Their surrender was accepted and after they compensated for these wars, they were allowed to get on with their lives. At some point in time rare harvestable goods were introduced to Illyriad. Although this was, in my view, a great addition, it became a new cause for friction and concern within the Illy community. Many players fought others over the right to harvest these goods. Scarcity of certain goods meant that in order to maintain an advantage the said resources needed to either be traded freely or totally controlled by whole alliances (as far as possible). I believe that this was a further catalyst for another round of wars, coupled by resentment which had festered among the previous losers. H? and her allies once more proved to be victorious and peace was restored. Again, alliances were not totally dismantled and once war reparations were made by the losing sides things were allowed to return to 'normal', albeit with even more bitterness left to fester among those losers. What should have been done, but was impossible due to in-game limitations, was that the first-born son (or daughter, why not) of the losers should have been given to the winners as wards (ok, hostages really) so as to prevent a re-enactment of history. This would have enabled a permanent peace, or at least a greater lasting peace and much more far reaching. Alas, it is simply not possible to do this in Illyriad. (Yes, I am a Game of Thrones fan, does it show?) Regardless, those losers licked their wounds and went into hiding, yet they would live to fight another day (again). This, I think, now brings us full circle to the present state of affairs. It is submitted that, in light of the above, the present war situation can be better understood. Regardless of what happens, I want to try and preserve the historical facts as far as possible. Already history is being changed and many new players may never know the truth of Illyriad's past. Those who have ears, let them hear. Those who have eyes, let them see. |
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