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    Posted: 20 Jul 2014 at 08:20
Close this too Rik.
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Thank you for your contributions toward peace, Velo.  Although you did promise to stop calling us the Grand Alliance.  Remember, it's "You Guys."

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Thank you for the dialogue, Velo. It was very helpful and, imo, useful!

It's over now. So Here's to Peace!!! Cheers!
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As a postscript though, I'll say that both of these threads have served their purpose, and thank you to everyone who has written me privately in support.  You know who you are, and I totally understand why you didn't feel comfortable enough to post here.

To my mind, that's proof positive that public sentiment about the war is changing.  Whatever support the Grand Alliance enjoyed in the larger community seems to be diminishing sharply.
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That's uh...pretty much what I'm doing.  At this point, just responding to the idle comments of others.  Kinda like...this. :)
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Velo,

Why don't you just give up on this? Clearly, none of the parties involved are interested.

Also, if you really wanted to be peacemaker, you should have contacted the leaders involved in private, and not start a debate here. FTR, I have done so, and was politely declined by both sides. That's ok by me. 

Let it lie, man...


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H? has seen their total strength diminished by some 60%.  That's a pretty thorough drubbing, no matter how you slice the pie.
In the process of that, they went from being a continent spanning alliance to being in a tight cluster in the southern region of the continent...yes, their cities spill over into adjacent regions, but territorially, they are now essentially a regional power.
As to the second part...being outmatched some 5-6:1 at this point, there's no victory to be had.  The only question that remains is...how long until the community at large gets thoroughly fed up with the ongoing dogpile and starts making noise?
That process began with Arctic's original thread and grew with this one.
IMO, of course.
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Are we still talking about H? I count 7 regions they are populated in- within Illy and BL. 3 of which they are heavily concentrated in. I would hardly call them beaten. 

But back to the original post. Offering 4 towns from one person, when the demand is 4 leaders single towns is sort of like stating have little faith in those 4 leaders to solve the war, surrender or win- isn't it? 
How does that old saying go? The greatest war to be fought is not outside the tent but from inside the hearts of all who reside within {or something like that}.
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There you go, being all logical again... ;)
Yes...one would imagine that having beaten the ever living (**insert expletive here**) out of the alliance and reduced it to regional status, if they wanted one city from each of those players, they would...you know...send the next wave of sieges there as opposed to hunting other accounts to extinction.  Then again, that wouldn't properly satisfy all outstanding grudges.


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Oh I see. I have not heard anyone call themselves the Grand Alliance. 
I do have one question though. If people so badly think that taking a city from EO/Kumo/Starry/KP each; would be a fair end to hostilities- then why not just do so- rather than argue on the base of that being a terms of surrender? Is this a type of posturing? If one really thinks ending a city from each of those players will teach the alliance to surrender then why does opposing alliances just not take it by force? Therefore, if one wanted to end hostilities for two sides who are not ready to- what makes a person think that their personal loss of monies or towns would aid in this surrender?
I think I may know the answer ... This is just posturing.  
And for the sake of the argument here in this thread, why is anyone who is not a leader of the opposing alliance offering posturing or grand standing before the community? 
Does this really heal a rift? 
Bull dozing and infilling a rift between alliances must not be so casually and cheaply made with individual offerings of sacrifices. Rather, the healing will begin only when concessions are heartfelt between the opponents.
I approve this message as the future overseer of BL and thank you for taking the time to read my post.
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