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scaramouche 
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 Topic: -5% of what?
Posted: 07 Sep 2012 at 20:40 |
 Salararius wrote:
[QUOTE=Chariots don't seem to fit with the flow of the game. |
no..they dont, the ability to now equip t1 commanders with horses destroys their title as charioteers
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Salararius
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Posted: 06 Sep 2012 at 18:15 |
scaramouche wrote:
Actually the thread is a query on the % stats on the new horses and as my question was new horse related it seemed the right place to ask..but hey, lets not split hairs.I thought maybe a quick answer here would save clogging the forum up with another thread. the reason i asked my question is because charioteers use...as far as i knew..chariots, noted for their speed and carry capacity, if i can now equip them with the new horses what happens to the carry capacity? war wolves state a 20% carry capacity yet no horses do. |
I don't think this was the wrong place to ask, you phrased the question in the present tense and the crafted horses can not be used yet. All the % stats are tied to crafted items and have no current use. But, to build a chariot you still need a horse so chariots have always "used horses" (just like all T1 and T2 cav "use horses", even orc "wolfriders" which you would think would use wolves).
Actually, an Illyriad chariot uses a horse (not two), saddle (huh?), beer and no wood. I'm not sure it makes sense from a logical or realistic perspective. Real chariots (from Earth history) may carry a lot (I'm not sure about that premise) but from a military perspective I don't think they are all that fast. It's hard to get a wheeled cart moving as quickly as a man on horseback over uneven ground.
I actually made a request a long time ago to rename the "Chariot" something that made sense (light cav, dragoon, whatever). Chariots don't seem to fit with the flow of the game. It's funny, they put a great deal of thought into details like continent names but then they have two military types as contemporary units (knights and chariots) whose militarily use on Earth peaked ~2,000 years apart. I'm not even aware of a fantasy setting that places them as contemporaries (but I haven't read everything so maybe someone will speak up and school me).
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scaramouche
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Posted: 06 Sep 2012 at 16:39 |
Salararius wrote:
scaramouche wrote:
can human T1 chariots now use horses? |
I'm not sure about the phrasing of the question. Cav have always used horses. This thread is specifically talking about the future ability to equip the new crafted items.
With regard to that topic, human T1 chariots are cav and cav can equip (or will be able to when the equipping gets implemented) any of the cav horses: - Heavy Warhorse
- Nimble Warhorse
- Steady Warhorse
And since they are human cav they can also equip:
after the player has researched 20 crafting items and "discovered" this horse. |
Actually the thread is a query on the % stats on the new horses and as my question was new horse related it seemed the right place to ask..but hey, lets not split hairs. I thought maybe a quick answer here would save clogging the forum up with another thread. the reason i asked my question is because charioteers use...as far as i knew..chariots, noted for their speed and carry capacity, if i can now equip them with the new horses what happens to the carry capacity? war wolves state a 20% carry capacity yet no horses do.
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Salararius
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Posted: 06 Sep 2012 at 14:43 |
Rill wrote:
Troops that do not use armour can be equipped with leather armour. Troops that do not use any weapon can be equipped with spears. Or Luna said in chat once. |
Thank you, that's what I recall too but I couldn't remember where.
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Rill
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Posted: 06 Sep 2012 at 07:15 |
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Troops that do not use armour can be equipped with leather armour. Troops that do not use any weapon can be equipped with spears. Or Luna said in chat once.
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Fruppo
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Posted: 06 Sep 2012 at 07:03 |
Salararius wrote:
Charioteer [leather] [spear] I think, someone help here
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Mhh, since charioteers only need horses, saddle and beer to train, and no armor or weapon, i wonder if, and what, they will be able to equip...
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Salararius
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Posted: 06 Sep 2012 at 02:42 |
scaramouche wrote:
can human T1 chariots now use horses? |
I'm not sure about the phrasing of the question. Cav have always used horses. This thread is specifically talking about the future ability to equip the new crafted items.
With regard to that topic, human T1 chariots are cav and cav can equip (or will be able to when the equipping gets implemented) any of the cav horses: - Heavy Warhorse
- Nimble Warhorse
- Steady Warhorse
And since they are human cav they can also equip:
after the player has researched 20 crafting items and "discovered" this horse.
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scaramouche
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Posted: 05 Sep 2012 at 22:14 |
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can human T1 chariots now use horses?
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SugarFree
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Posted: 05 Sep 2012 at 17:09 |
Uno wrote:
This is incorrect ThunderCat because the +5% is only in attack so they don't quite cancel each other. |
this guy is the guy that coded this. i guess he knows better.
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Salararius
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Posted: 05 Sep 2012 at 16:24 |
jordigui wrote:
So, as I understand following the Heavy Warhorse: Example: the Heavy Warhorse: +5% attack, -5% move speed, +10% Carry, -5% on hills, mountains; in forests, Arctic, Desert, and Jungle If you attack on a hill in jungle you get a total bonus (malus) of -5%, right? |
Correct
+5% (attack) - 5% (hill terrain) - 5% (jungle) = -5% (total attack) Defense from any attacker would be -10% in that same location.
jordigui wrote:
Another issue (not sure if it has already been answered), is that as I understand troops (and commanders) can be equiped with 1 armour, 1 weapon and 1 horse. But the armour and weapon are troop specific. So a spearmen unit will need to be equiped with leather and a spear. A knights that uses both chainmail and plate is gonna be able to choose, right? But then, this knight can only have a spear as a weapon, right? No sword? :( |
Again, correct (I think, see below)
If a unit is trained (built, produced, created, etc...) with more than one armor or weapon type (knight with chain and plate) then you can pick which type to equip, but only one type (chain or plate). If a unit is not trained with a specific weapon or armor type (knight doesn't need sword) you can't equip that type.
Example, a Human Pikemen unit can equip [leather or chain] as their armor and [spear] as their weapon. There is no "spearmen" unit so I wasn't sure if you knew that some spear unit types had two types of armor and you could choose either to equip.
For humans, the following [armor] and [weapon] types can be equipped:
Militiaman [leather] [spear] Pikeman [leather or chain] [spear] Archer [leather] [bow] Longbowman [leather] [bow] Swordsman [chain] [sword] Man-At-Arms [chain or plate] [sword] Charioteer [leather] [spear] I think, someone help here Knight [chain or plate] [spear]
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