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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 21:30
I still wait to have an answer to my question. Equipping the commander do add bonus to commander's stats or to divisional units too ???

Also I have to add another question:

Why you hate elves ? Especially elves in jungle like me ?
Bow have weird bonuses and there is NOTHING comparable with Silversteel weapons. NOTHING.
So my archer commanders will get at most 6% attack bonus while most of the others can use a 30% bonus weapon ??

I like the patch but the item balance really make me wonder if I should put any more effort in the game....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 22:13
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

You need to research "arctic spear" first followed by "bone handled sword" followed by "arctic bow" research.

To research "arctic spear", you need a spearmaker and a spearsmith.
To research "bone handled sword", you need a blacksmith and a swordsmith.
To research "arctic bow", you need a fletcher and a bowyer.

That is in total 6 buildings just to unlock the arctic bow, not counting any building plots spent on gathering of the crafting components.
Suppose you have two slots free and none of these buildings, then:
1) build level 1 spearmaker at 1st slot and research spearsmith, demolish spearmaker
2) build level 1 blacksmith, research swordsmith, demolish blacksmith
3) build fletcher and research bowyer, level fletcher to 20
4) build level 1 spearsmith and 2nd slot, research arctic spear, demolish spearsmith
5) build level 1 swordsmith, research bone handled sword, demolish swordsmith
6) build bowyer, research artic bow and level bowyer to 20

It's rather tedious but still is doable with the two slots that will be occupied by the fletcher and bowyer. It seems  a good strategy to just unlock the crafting buildings first by finishing the city research page, then one slot that is used for a cottage can be used for building and demolishing to travel the research tree.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 22:21
Originally posted by JimJams JimJams wrote:

I like the patch but the item balance really make me wonder if I should put any more effort in the game....

It's hard to balance a large number of items. Hopefully they'll be willing to balance things as needed. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 22:42
They're just grouped in like categories, you don't need the first in a "line" to make the 2nd in crafting, UNLESS you see an actual line or arrow. I don't see many of those in the Crafting page.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 22:50
Originally posted by Thurien Thurien wrote:

They're just grouped in like categories, you don't need the first in a "line" to make the 2nd in crafting, UNLESS you see an actual line or arrow. I don't see many of those in the Crafting page.

Looks like they have since inserted arrows :))
Unless I'm missing something, looks like it *will* be necessary to at least hit each of the buildings in turn.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 22:53
Originally posted by JimJams JimJams wrote:

I still wait to have an answer to my question. Equipping the commander do add bonus to commander's stats or to divisional units too ???

Also I have to add another question:

Why you hate elves ? Especially elves in jungle like me ?
Bow have weird bonuses and there is NOTHING comparable with Silversteel weapons. NOTHING.
So my archer commanders will get at most 6% attack bonus while most of the others can use a 30% bonus weapon ??

I like the patch but the item balance really make me wonder if I should put any more effort in the game....
silversteel i not meant for us anyways. elves have lived an overpowered status till now. no more. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 04:18
Originally posted by JimJams JimJams wrote:

Why you hate elves ? Especially elves in jungle like me ?
Bow have weird bonuses and there is NOTHING comparable with Silversteel weapons. NOTHING.
So my archer commanders will get at most 6% attack bonus while most of the others can use a 30% bonus weapon ??

Elven Trueshots can get, if I have read this right, a +35% bonus to their attack, which becomes +70% in small units?

Composite Bow = +15% attack
Vanguard's Armour (leather version) = +20% attack
The infantry horse has no benefit
                                                     Total = 35%
Elite units doubles this if used in small groups
                                                     Small unit total = 70%

And, that particular combination only requires 2 crafting buildings to be researched and built - none of these mixed-buildings-required-research-ladder weapons there.

On reflection, I don't even think that that's the *best* loadout for your Trueshots - I think there are better options, depending on your situation.

You're right, tho, it does look like in the jungle Elves don't buff quite so well, nor so easily. You'll probably be looking at +32% to attack (or +64% in small groups), and for that you'll need to plan your targets more carefully. You can bemoan that while you enjoy all the extra food squares that jungle biome seems to have, or some of the huge concentrations of Herbs I've noticed down there.

What did you want, a single "Bow of Instant Elven Supremacy"? ;-)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 05:03
Originally posted by LordOfTheSwamp LordOfTheSwamp wrote:

 
What did you want, a single "Bow of Instant Elven Supremacy"? ;-)
Pithy much... must all your comments directed at H members be pithy, condescending, and dismissive?  It really is getting old.


Edited by Silverlake - 01 Aug 2012 at 05:12
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 05:55
Originally posted by Silverlake Silverlake wrote:

Pithy much... must all your comments directed at H members be pithy, condescending, and dismissive?  It really is getting old.

Whoa! Where did that come from?!

Until you wrote that it hadn't occurred to me to wonder what alliance the original poster was in. And as a misrepresentation of my attitude to H?, that's pretty extreme.

This is getting way off topic
Edit: I've started a new thread to address this


Edited by LordOfTheSwamp - 01 Aug 2012 at 06:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 06:57
I thought Kurdruk was poking fun at elves ...

color me confused.  Going to other thread now.
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