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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2012 at 03:11
you know...instead of us arguing over this, i say we ask the devs...they should know the answer...and be able to explain it better than any of us as to why things are the way they are...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2012 at 02:08
Question on the Crafting Research Tree - are all of those dependencies across different types of armor/weapons intentional?  For example, (other than the first row of chainmail research), all of the chainmail research depends on leather armor research.  Sames with swords/spears, etc.  So if I want to specialize in chainmail, I first have to specialize in leather armor?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 08:19
Originally posted by Brids17 Brids17 wrote:


Originally posted by Silent/Steadfast Silent/Steadfast wrote:

T2 spearmen are better than t2 bows defensively. They generally have about 1.5 more defense vs cavalry than bows do, which is all that really matters (except in forests, where inf attacks, but spears get a bonus while bows are penalized there).


Why not just build T2 cav for everything then? T2 spear and cav have the same cav defense for Dwarves, so if cav defense is all that really matters, wouldn't have nothing but cavs be best? Giving you the same cav defense and far more attack and speed. 


There are several reasons, the main one being that spearmen get a bonus in defense in more types of terrain. Also, spearmen train a lot faster than cav, and their resource cost is a lot less.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 02:14
Originally posted by Silent/Steadfast Silent/Steadfast wrote:

T2 spearmen are better than t2 bows defensively. They generally have about 1.5 more defense vs cavalry than bows do, which is all that really matters (except in forests, where inf attacks, but spears get a bonus while bows are penalized there).

Why not just build T2 cav for everything then? T2 spear and cav have the same cav defense for Dwarves, so if cav defense is all that really matters, wouldn't have nothing but cavs be best? Giving you the same cav defense and far more attack and speed. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 00:42
T2 spearmen are better than t2 bows defensively. They generally have about 1.5 more defense vs cavalry than bows do, which is all that really matters (except in forests, where inf attacks, but spears get a bonus while bows are penalized there). Also, they are slightly cheaper in resources and faster to make. I haven't looked in detail at the new crafting stats, but I'm sure that in terms of def vs cav spears will still be better than bows even when the bows get decked out in special gear. Far from overpowered, trueshots are merely good at swaggering around on the stats page and showing off figures that don't apply to most defensive combat. There is something, however, to be said about bowmen attacking. A trueshot works admirably when storming a mountain guarded by spearmen, doing as well if not better than a knight.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2012 at 21:32
Originally posted by Bonaparta Bonaparta wrote:

Originally posted by SugarFree SugarFree wrote:

you sure talk like cavalry is everything.

No Kilotov, I realize that dwarven stelwarts are very good and I obviously praised trueshots...

lol i sure feel sorry for this kilotov dude now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2012 at 21:22
Originally posted by JimJams JimJams wrote:

Let anyone free to build any kind of unit of any race.

Problem solved.

Have to quote myself. Let everyone build any units.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2012 at 15:40
Originally posted by Bonaparta Bonaparta wrote:

 
Marshal is an option for t2 cavalry. I personally still like the knight better, because marshal is so dependent on chain armor, but then again trueshots don't need chain so you have extra in other cities. 

You can buy chainmail from market. The price differential between chainmail and platemail is not too much. (currently it is 210 gold in the market)

The limiting factor for cavalry is saddles. Elves have a clear advantage there, because sentinels doesn't need leather armour at all. Trueshots need only one. Hence they have more spare cows.

Originally posted by SugarFree SugarFree wrote:

you sure talk like cavalry is everything.

I dont think much about stalwarts, not to mention other infantry. Defenders mostly comprise of archers, who has high defence against infantry, but low defense against cavalry. 

Stalwart has 14 attack per gold upkeep, knight has 16 attack per gold upkeep. Longbowman has 32 defense against infantry, 20 against cavalry. Knights will be nearly double as effective against a stack of archers than stalwarts for the same upkeep worth of units.

Even spears have fairly good defence against infantry (kobolds have 12 defense against infantry and 13 defense against cavalry - not much of a difference)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2012 at 14:53
Originally posted by SugarFree SugarFree wrote:

you sure talk like cavalry is everything.

No Kilotov, I realize that dwarven stelwarts are very good and I obviously praised trueshots...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Aug 2012 at 14:50
you sure talk like cavalry is everything.
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