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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2012 at 18:59
How do you equip 50k stalwarts with Vanguard Armor? You buy them of course. No one ever said you had to make em all yourself.   Thats the whole purpose of trading. To get something you want that you can't produce (or can't produce enough of) you will have to exchange goods with someone who has them and doesnt need them. You will have stuff that that person wants (i.e. gold, crafting resources, Basic weapons and armor, etc) that you don't need. You make a trade to each get what you want. That is how an economy works.

Ya, it might take one person making them all by themselves 6 years to get enougb, but it wont take 200 people making them strictly for profit very long to produce that many.

If they fix it so you can make everything you want yourself, the game would just let the rich players get richer, and keep the smaller players from ever having a chance to close the gap between them and the top players.


With a system like that, there is no point in a newer player even bothering to play. They wont ever be able to compete. Playing the game longer than ever one else isnt strategy, and being stronger than everyone else just because you got here first isnt strategy.


With the new trade system, some of those giant gold stockpiles that the top llayers have been sitting on for multiple years now have a use other than letting the vets out produce newer players in times of war super easily. If a vet wants to equip their 50k stalwarts, or whatever troop, with a specialty armor in order to gain an edge over an equivalent size player, they are going to have to spread the wealth around to some of the newer players to get the goods needed.

Ithink some of yall are not quite grasping the purpose the developers had in mind when they designed the update.

They wanted to make a dynamic economy. Not help top players overpower smaller ones by an even more insurmountable amount.

Or at least that is how I interpret the changes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2012 at 14:37
Originally posted by Faldrin Faldrin wrote:

I have a level 20 forge and one level 13 plate armourer result: It takes 3h 28m 34s to make one Vanguard's Platemail. How on earth is that even a little bit worth it ? If I specialise I can make may 1 every hour? How on earth can that be worth it? I have to equip 50 K stalwarts that will take me over 2000 days (almost 6 years).

This gathering/crafting patch seems utterly useless to me. The only thing I really find possitive is that people are actually fighting over the mines even they are completely useless.

Please enlighten me and tell me I have it all wrong ;-)

I don't see how it helps you if you always attack with every one of 50,000 stalwarts.

Just because you have 50,000 stalwarts doesn't mean you need them in every situation.  Maybe you have a situation where you only need to attack with 750 stalwarts to win the battle?  Maybe because the other guy has thrown up a blockade or siege or taken your mine with a smaller group of defenders equipped with crafted items?  In that case, you could get a 10% attack bonus with up to 750 suits of Vanguard Armor.  It would be some help then.  It would also mean 300-400 less casualties than if you attack with 50,000.

The advantages I see are for small to mid size players or big players willing to break their forces up into smaller groups.  Really, in what game don't numbers add up to more than technology.  This game seems like any other, if you have enough of anything, you don't need to equip them well.  Just be happy they didn't take away the advantage of having 50,000 stalwarts, you're still good Thumbs Up

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Aug 2012 at 07:22
hey if my 300 spearmen can kill more, im all for it lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 21:35
Um... By your math two plate armourers would make the build time null.  Until there are reliable numbers all assumptions about time should be disregarded (My earlier comment about build time included.)

You only need 750.... Besides, once the markets start to develop, the components you will need will become very available (Most biome specific weaponry and armor uses commonly found animal parts) 

Also, I'd argue that a 5% bonus on half of your troops is better than no bonus at all.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 21:04
Each level of the plate armourer gives 6 min or so with the first building and even less with 2nd or 3rd. I cant find anywhere the numbers it should give but if you specialize a whole town I think you should be able to supply more than one city with the goods else it makes NO sense.

All in all the time for making vanguard armor could get down to 30 min or so. The result is it will take me only 3 years to make the 50 K armor needed :P

Utterly useless.

And you talk about making specialized armor/stuff that need rare resources ? How will you be able to get a steady supply of the resources needed?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 19:20
Originally posted by Faldrin Faldrin wrote:

Originally posted by Silent/Steadfast Silent/Steadfast wrote:

You aren't supposed to equip 50k stals.  You're supposed to equip 150.  The idea is to give small armies an edge.  

For 10% bonus to 150 men ? You are kidding me right ? That 15 men out of an army of 8-10 K stalwarts.

I can understand that with the silversteel stuff that gives ALOT more bonus that they have to have LONG crafting times. But this is one of those wich require NO rare resources !! How am I to use the minerals I mine when the crafting times are SO long?

Yes, 10% isn't very good.  But if you had only 150 troops to equip, you'd do it in a way that gives more of a bonus than that, yes?  I'd think a 24% base bonus would be easy to get (biome armor). And double that is a 48% bonus.  Also, keep in mind that the elite divisions can all be in the same army, so a 750 unit army could all have a 48% bonus.  That's the equivalent of 1110 stalwarts, and I'll bet if you specialized your city to produce that certain armor and weapon you could make one every 15 min, (multiple crafting buildings of the same type) which would mean that you'd make your 750 unit army faster than your 1110 unit army and have the same results.  Now, I won't talk in detail about troops using leather armor, but the bonus is a LOT more pronounced for them....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 19:02
You people are really overusing the word sandbox to talk about everything... this is a game before a sandbox...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 18:50
You're not supposed to use all of them, if you specialize in mining.  You're "supposed" to sell some.  (Insofar as anyone is "supposed" to do anything; this is a sandbox.)  Or trade some for other crafted items.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 18:34
Originally posted by Silent/Steadfast Silent/Steadfast wrote:

You aren't supposed to equip 50k stals.  You're supposed to equip 150.  The idea is to give small armies an edge.  

For 10% bonus to 150 men ? You are kidding me right ? That 15 men out of an army of 8-10 K stalwarts.

I can understand that with the silversteel stuff that gives ALOT more bonus that they have to have LONG crafting times. But this is one of those wich require NO rare resources !! How am I to use the minerals I mine when the crafting times are SO long?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 2012 at 18:20
You aren't supposed to equip 50k stals.  You're supposed to equip 150.  The idea is to give small armies an edge.  
"Semantics are no protection from a 50 Megaton Thermonuclear Stormcrow."-Yggdrassil (June 21, 2011 6:48 PM)
"SCROLL ya donut!" Urgorr The Old (September 1, 2011 4:08 PM)
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