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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 07:54
Originally posted by Ander Ander wrote:

Originally posted by Yhina Yhina wrote:

 
2) dont see why, or at least they shouldnt, double the effect of terrain modifiers from being elite, the same way they dont double commander modifier (both come later on)

The effect of some of the existing factors have changed -

Originally posted by GM ThunderCat GM ThunderCat wrote:


  • Offensive bonuses add up attack bonus, racial bonus, terrain bonus, biome bonus, and day/night bonus.
All bonuses are then doubled if the unit/commander is elite.

The equipped units new stats are then multiplied by the additive effects of the other bonuses. (e.g. commander divisional bonuses, jungle warfare colleges etc.)


Alright then :) Need to do a few more fights without gear to make sure the terrain modifier for archers is still 0% (for plains) as before..

If terrain modifier is doubled too by being elite, i see yet another advantage for cavalry with their already huge bonus for plains... even without any gear...

Could anyone do a test with a cavalry army to confirm this?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 10:23
Did another simple fight without gear this time :

Same commander (10 heroism, 15 conc. fire) leading 200 TS vs wild dogs, plains again.

Defenders total defense ( considering spear units penalty on plains ) : 501

Attackers final attack rating : 9604   ( 1952*1.15 + 6400*1.15 )

Ratio : 5.22% 

Real loses as in report : 10 trueshots .   

Should any terrain modifier affect the archers on plains would have lead to diferent casualty ammount.... so if terrain modifier for archers in plains is still 0%..  the fight with +vs animal armor and weapon has something ... fishy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 10:23
i think only the bonuses you get from equipement is doubled on elit troops
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 10:56
Either way, the results dont match the "expected"... even if you doubled the terrain modifiers, as they would be 0%..

----------edited part ,added ---

Done a few more fights :

both in plains with 200 ts and the same commander vs wild dogs.

a) the one with the hunter bow (+vs animals) gave out a expected result

b) the one just with overpadded leather armor gave out more casualties than should for +28% vs animal bonus ( to attack and defense as mentioned by GM Luna), but less than if the item was complety ignored... the casualties taken leave the bonus somewhere in between 8% and 20% ( with a single fight can not be narrowed much )


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 09:05
I don't know if anyone else has reported this as I don't have the time atm to read the whole thread. I lost a commander in a skirmish. He left his SS Plate Armour on the battlefield. I sent 1 cotter (scavenging enabled) to retrieve the armour. Said cotter harvested/scavenged, completed his task and came back empty handed. The armour shows as still there. Next I sent 2 cotters, and same story.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 15:21
Originally posted by RatuJone RatuJone wrote:

I don't know if anyone else has reported this as I don't have the time atm to read the whole thread. I lost a commander in a skirmish. He left his SS Plate Armour on the battlefield. I sent 1 cotter (scavenging enabled) to retrieve the armour. Said cotter harvested/scavenged, completed his task and came back empty handed. The armour shows as still there. Next I sent 2 cotters, and same story.
Please advise.
There is a new research to complete in order to scavenge equipment.  Is that what you meant by "scavenging enabled"?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 16:29
Yes, the research was completed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 20:36
Originally posted by RatuJone RatuJone wrote:

I don't know if anyone else has reported this as I don't have the time atm to read the whole thread. I lost a commander in a skirmish. He left his SS Plate Armour on the battlefield. I sent 1 cotter (scavenging enabled) to retrieve the armour. Said cotter harvested/scavenged, completed his task and came back empty handed. The armour shows as still there. Next I sent 2 cotters, and same story.
Please advise.

I am having the same problem.. Have the research done, but they find nothing of value..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 21:31
Yeah I have the same problem... The gathering fails
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 22:35
Same here - I've tried three times now and they never yield anything.  Is there a percentage chance associated with harvesting equipment?  Maybe I just need to keep trying - though harvest times are very longggggg.
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