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GM Luna 
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 Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 00:18 |
Yes, if it says + vs. animal it means attack and defense vs. animal.
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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Yhina
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Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 00:14 |
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that includes +vs animal, +vs monster and +vs undead type modifiers? both in attack or defense or depends on whether they are weapons or armors?
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GM Luna
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Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 00:08 |
Bonuses that don't specify what they are for are a generic attack and defense bonus.
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Nesse
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Posted: 23 Sep 2012 at 00:06 |
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A question on the racial bonuses (apologies if answered somewhere else). If it says Dwarves +6%, does that mean Dwarves using the weapon has +6% on attack and defence bonuses? Or is it +6% also on movement speed, magic resistance and carrying capacity?
Edited by Nesse - 23 Sep 2012 at 00:06
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JimJams
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Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 23:55 |
I don't understand one thing. There isn't any real secret about how the fight math should work. So, why don't just add a table with fight math exposed directly in the fight report ?
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Yhina
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Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 22:58 |
 Ander wrote:
Yhina wrote:
No, no.. the defending group was made of wild dogs ( 4 types : 2 spear type, and 2 infantry)
The defenders were (520 ( 612 -15% as spearmen in plains) and 289 (infantry type ) so 809 total defense.
and you arent considering the 15% attack bonus from divisional bonus for attackers
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The numbers seem file with 809 total defense. You should consider double penalty for terrain too.
Total Attack Force= 1952 ( 1 + 1(100% against animals from equipment) - 0.1(2x terrain penalty) ) + 3200 ( 1 - 0.1*(2x terrain penalty) ) * 1.15(commander divisional bonus) = 6458
Defense/Attack = 809/6458 = 12.5%
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The math is brilliant but got two serious doubts : 1) archers dont get any penalty on plains 2) dont see why, or at least they shouldnt, double the effect of terrain modifiers from being elite, the same way they dont double commander modifier (both come later on)
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Bard
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Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 22:40 |
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@Aurordan : Commanders with Defy Death that get reduced to 1hp and returned, even if the army is destroyed, keep the equipment. 5 commanders: 4 with 10/10 defy death lost no eqpt, 1 commander with 5/10 Defy Death died, and lost eqpt. All troops lost eqpt.
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Ander
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Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 22:26 |
Yhina wrote:
No, no.. the defending group was made of wild dogs ( 4 types : 2 spear type, and 2 infantry)
The defenders were (520 ( 612 -15% as spearmen in plains) and 289 (infantry type ) so 809 total defense.
and you arent considering the 15% attack bonus from divisional bonus for attackers
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The numbers seem file with 809 total defense. You should consider double penalty for terrain too.
Total Attack Force= 1952 ( 1 + 1(100% against animals from equipment) - 0.1(2x terrain penalty) ) + 3200 ( 1 - 0.1*(2x terrain penalty) ) * 1.15(commander divisional bonus) = 6458
Defense/Attack = 809/6458 = 12.5%
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Yhina
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Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 20:50 |
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No, no.. the defending group was made of wild dogs ( 4 types : 2 spear type, and 2 infantry)
The defenders were (520 ( 612 -15% as spearmen in plains) and 289 (infantry type ) so 809 total defense.
and you arent considering the 15% attack bonus from divisional bonus for attackers
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Ander
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Posted: 22 Sep 2012 at 20:25 |
Yhina wrote:
Did another fight with 1 TS commander (10 heroism, 15 conc. fire) leading 100 TS vs wild dogs in plains ( bow def 612 for the spear type ones, and 289 for infantry part) equipped with a hunter's bow and an overpadded leather armor.
The commander herself has a base of 1952 attack, the bow has a -2% penalty on attack and +24% vs animals, the armor is +28% vs animals ... so either +44% bonus, or +100% (if the armor counts too for attack).
Considering the -15% penalty for the spear type dogs defending in plains... the ratio should lead to much lower than the 12 casualties the army had (unless armor bonus is not counted) ... does the armor bonus vs animal only work in defense? If it doesnt, does the bonus vs animal of the weapon only add in attack?
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That looks like without any equipment bonus applied. 1952+3200=5162 attack against 612 bow defense.
612/5162 = 11.8% loss to 100 units.
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