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If there are clusters of people in real life playing the game together they will bulk buy prestige and then spread it out between themselves for real money.  
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Rulers want to push us into war through fear and greed! Let's overthrow them and take over  server!!

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Another update that involves money... why am i not suprised..?
Hmmm... 3 updates lately, 2 involved money: the cities "skins" and now this prestige scrolls thingy.

Apart from the fact that the amounts of prestige avaiable to give this scrolls are far from being usable on a daily basis (dont see ppl shipping 75 prestige to a newbie...), like ppl already mentioned, can't help to notice that too many updates are being released with economic interest in the background.

Cool, you finally enabled lakes for claiming SOV. THAT is the kind of update the game needs.

When are the factions coming live, per example? They've been parading around the map for what? 2 years now?



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Originally posted by GM Rikoo GM Rikoo wrote:



Be aware that items in transit, including prestige scrolls, are vulnerable to blockade, so be careful when shipping these valuable new items.




Zynga style?
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Originally posted by abstractdream abstractdream wrote:

Anyone worried about what could happen with this, read this thread:
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/tro-accepts-terms-of-surrender_topic3822.html


Hard to say what you are exactly saying here, but it sounds like you are also on the chicken little side of things?

Or are you pointing to the backlash and pressure applied by the community that ultimately resulted in the demands for a medal (prestige) being rescinded?

Regardless, I like the idea of being able to purchase a large block of prestige and then transferring some of that prestige to my wife's account, thereby taking advantage of the discount afforded by buying in bulk.

I am not too worried that Prestige will be used as a term in surrender. However if it is used, then I imagine a similar reaction mentioned in the thread above and likely the same result.


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Anyone worried about what could happen with this, read this thread:
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/tro-accepts-terms-of-surrender_topic3822.html
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You know Codex Gigas, largest manuscript in the world? Nothing good can come out of it  LOL

Seriously, allow plebs to read something too


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GM Stormcrow Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Oct 2014 at 22:20
Originally posted by Ammianus Ammianus wrote:


The new situation arises from trying to force a player to buy prestige (to spend money) to achieve a goal.
It's worth mentioning that prestige extortion has been an available mechanic ever since we introduced the alliance prestige pool, ie "Join my alliance and put prestige into the alliance prestige pool, then I kick you from the alliance and use your prestige... or else".

To my knowledge that's not yet happened - despite being an option for more than a couple of years.

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Originally posted by Ammianus Ammianus wrote:

Sorry Rikoo, I am not so happy with your reply.

It didn't really address my concerns about the use of prestige.
The connection to Real life is independent of prestige or non prestige. and as such nothing new.
The new situation arises from trying to force a player to buy prestige (to spend money) to achieve a goal.

and this is a new intermediate quality of  threat which can be exerted on players. the high level RL threat, the spend money threat, and lowest the give cities or resources threat. In my opinion only the last one should be acceptable in a game. Actually I have been playing many games of this type and with the exception of a poor economic game they all do not allow transfer of money derived commodities and I don't think this is accidental. I still think Illyriad is the best up to now. I have no objection using some money to improve my account, which i do all the time,  but I will never tolerate to be "forced" to sponsor some one else account.

And it is a bit surprising to me you call Illyriad a "Hardcore game" as a reasoning for making it even harder on players. Already peace terms can be much worse than they are in most other games in my experience, which I wouldn't consider soft at all, if  I am in constant year long wars.

Well in any case I will not bow to any threat of the above mentioned type and rather abandon or be reduced to one city. Depending on circumstances after a petition.


I understand what you are saying, but it's already possible to completely destroy a player's cities -- over and over -- essentially stopping them from playing the game. This is and always has been a possibility, yet I rarely if ever hear complaint about that. Also, losing prestige can already happen to someone who has spent prestige and is then destroyed. Or, they can lose mountains of time as well.

In other words, the game is already very punishing. If someone "threatens" you (again, only in the way that is allowed by the game, not in real life) then it is simply up to you to bow to the threat, seek help or just wait to see how bad it gets. 

Again, though, if it appears to become a major issue we might -- or might not -- look into the issue. I cannot say either way right now.

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Sorry Rikoo, I am not so happy with your reply.

It didn't really address my concerns about the use of prestige.
The connection to Real life is independent of prestige or non prestige. and as such nothing new.
The new situation arises from trying to force a player to buy prestige (to spend money) to achieve a goal.

and this is a new intermediate quality of  threat which can be exerted on players. the high level RL threat, the spend money threat, and lowest the give cities or resources threat. In my opinion only the last one should be acceptable in a game. Actually I have been playing many games of this type and with the exception of a poor economic game they all do not allow transfer of money derived commodities and I don't think this is accidental. I still think Illyriad is the best up to now. I have no objection using some money to improve my account, which i do all the time,  but I will never tolerate to be "forced" to sponsor some one else account.

And it is a bit surprising to me you call Illyriad a "Hardcore game" as a reasoning for making it even harder on players. Already peace terms can be much worse than they are in most other games in my experience, which I wouldn't consider soft at all, if  I am in constant year long wars.

Well in any case I will not bow to any threat of the above mentioned type and rather abandon or be reduced to one city. Depending on circumstances after a petition.

Qui secundos optat eventus, dimicet arte, non causa.
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