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Points: 1233 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 21:59
Originally posted by Ubiquitous Feral Ubiquitous Feral wrote:

Will the minor's cities disappear? It seems wrong to me for someone to use the leftover resources. I think the issue is far too serious for that. Just make the map the way it was when the account was begun?

If a player is banned from a game, eventually their cities will fade from the map unless used somehow. (attacked, etc.) Nothing changes, it's the same as if a player left the game or abandoned. 

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Points: 3820 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 21:57
Originally posted by Baesil Baesil wrote:

If the company were genuinely trying to be COPPA compliant, it would have had a self verification at log in or at character creation. This is an easy fix, so easy it was apparently done overnight to cover for what seems to be unexpected blowback from a rash, arbitrary, and disproportionate decision.

You could put it like that.  Or perhaps you could instead say that it's a great example of a rapid and responsive team taking and implementing a suggestion from a player on a hot-button issue to hopefully improve the experience for everyone?

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Points: 3820 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 21:55
Originally posted by Lagavulin Lagavulin wrote:

 Stormcrow, I think you did not read to the end of my paragraph.  The very next line was "It is not about, and does not say it is about, a person who jokes, or lies, about being younger."
Oh, kk - I get it now. 

It's about people who joke or lie about being older, and then self-identify as being younger.  

Thanks for bringing clarity.

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Points: 187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 21:51
 Stormcrow,

 

"Specifically it is about a 12, or younger, person claiming to be older when joining and then letting it slip to the site operator that they are younger.  In that case the operator is supposed to take action." - Lagavulin

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Which is exactly what happened in this case.  I'm not sure what your point is here?  Maybe I didn't explain my original point very well, for which apologies." - Stormcrow

 

Stormcrow, I think you did not read to the end of my paragraph.  The very next line was "It is not about, and does not say it is about, a person who jokes, or lies, about being younger."
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Points: 19 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 21:48
If the company were genuinely trying to be COPPA compliant, it would have had a self verification at log in or at character creation. This is an easy fix, so easy it was apparently done overnight to cover for what seems to be unexpected blowback from a rash, arbitrary, and disproportionate decision.
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Points: 187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 21:46
She was not a minor Ubiquitous.  If she had been this would not be such a hot button issue.
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Points: 26 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 21:42
Will the minor's cities disappear? It seems wrong to me for someone to use the leftover resources. I think the issue is far too serious for that. Just make the map the way it was when the account was begun?
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Points: 3820 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2014 at 21:34
Originally posted by SimplyDivine SimplyDivine wrote:

Prime Example...After Moka was banned, a certain player stated twice in GC that he was 12 and he was NOT banned. I've had several igms from him, and he's choosing to stay out of GC, but his account is still active.
So wait... now we're not banning enough people?!

I'm not personally aware of other people in GC claiming to be 12, but I can assure you that feeding the manufactured outrage of a few players apparently desperate for an "I am Spartacus" martyrdom to give everyone another stick to beat Rikoo with for being heavy-handed was certainly not on my agenda for the week, sorry to say.

We always consider context, and we have to run with what we believe to be the case based on our knowledge, but we're not infallible.

Originally posted by Lagavulin Lagavulin wrote:

Specifically it is about a 12, or younger, person claiming to be older when joining and then letting it slip to the site operator that they are younger.  In that case the operator is supposed to take action.
Which is exactly what happened in this case.  I'm not sure what your point is here?  Maybe I didn't explain my original point very well, for which apologies.

Originally posted by Lagavulin Lagavulin wrote:

This section is about children, not persons claiming an age.  
... is a quite extraordinary statement that I don't really know how to process, as I'm not, sadly, omniscient Tongue

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"(b)  What happens if a child posts in a forum and announces her age?

If no one in your organization is aware of the post, then you may not have the requisite actual knowledge under the Rule.  However, you may be considered to have actual knowledge where a child announces her age under certain circumstances, for example, if you monitor your posts, if a responsible member of your organization sees the post, or if someone alerts you to the post ""

Moka is not a child.  This section is about children, not persons claiming an age.  Now the owners of the site are certainly allowed to take her at her word rather than investigate the chat.  If this is happening frequently then a time management calculation may make that a rational choice.  How many times has this happened?
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"1.    Am I responsible if children lie about their age during the registration process on my general audience website?

The Rule does not require operators of general audience sites to investigate the ages of visitors to their sites or services.  See 1999 Statement of Basis and Purpose, 64 Fed. Reg. 59888, 59892.  However, operators will be held to have acquired actual knowledge of having collected personal information from a child where, for example, they later learn of a child’s age or grade from a concerned parent who has learned that his child is participating on the site or service. "


This section who's header only is quoted by Stormcrow clearly applies to persons who lie about their age when registering.  Specifically it is about a 12, or younger, person claiming to be older when joining and then letting it slip to the site operator that they are younger.  In that case the operator is supposed to take action.  It is not about, and does not say it is about, a person who jokes, or lies, about being younger.
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