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Jejune
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I like what Ricky is saying.
One of the real benefits of the land claims is that they are a pretext for war, strategic conquest, tangible victory, and something that can be lost in surrender terms that means a lot and yet isn't anything as "real" as gold or cities. Granted, the land claims have meant different things to different alliances: some use them to establish room to grow an alliance, while other see them as a way to control harvestable resources. However, Rick's right: the long-play for land claims -- at least from my perspective -- was to encourage friction among alliances who would eventually wish to occupy the land same lands. I know that the concern has been that noobs would get caught in the cross-fire of that kind of play, but as Hal said earlier, Illyriad is dominated by alliance play, and so now we're beginning to see the fruits of the land claim initiative enhancing gameplay. At first, I thought that it would take two claiming alliances next to each other to have this kind of situation. But I think that the TVM/SHARK conflict is proving that the claims themselves can be a pretext for strategic warfare over key tracts of land even if one of the two alliances involved in the conflict is not counter-claiming or even a "believer" in land claims. By all means, there are no hapless victims in this conflict. No one is getting "bullied" here. To me, this is a political issue in every sense of the word, and all of the talk of bullying behavior is just rhetoric and hyperbole.
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Rill
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Perhaps the arguing about land claims should be adjourned to some other thread? Not that there's really anything new to be said about the subject.
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Jejune
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I agree that any discussion of land claims in this thread should be couched in the larger discussion of the conflict at hand. I think that I did that in my post, but if not, I'll try harder next time.
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Pellinell
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By all means, there are no hapless victims in this conflict. No one is getting "bullied" here. To me, this is a political issue in every sense of the word, and all of the talk of bullying behavior is just rhetoric and hyperbole.
Rhetoric and hyperbole are part of politics lol |
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Dungshoveleux
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Land Claiming is an integral part of the current "conflict".
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Aurordan
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Relevant:
http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/war-declarations_topic6591.html
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viperone
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Too new to know the political history that may have played a role in the most recent war declarations; however, all history aside it makes great military sense to attack a perceived threat prior to them reaching full strength or military capability. Often alliances are judged on past history and trust is very difficult to establish. It shall be interesting to see if the declaring alliances waited too long or pushed the button in a nick of time.
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palmz
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I think this is a powder keg, I think some one will step in and do something that will force others in to the fray, this will likely turn in to a much bigger conflict.
I suppose time will tell.
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Jejune
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I sure hope not. Pellinell has told the community time and time again that the BL alliance members of DSD are equipped to defend the land claims. Assuming that's true, one would think that TVM, TSC, and RE make a relatively even match against SHARK, the #1 alliance in the game. As you said, we shall see.
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Angrim
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if it didn't come across in my prior post, i think this particular thread is more pointless than usual. A few observations to illustrate that thought:
the land claim "system" depends to some extent on periodic challenges and, as Ricky has correctly pointed out, if SHARK is being honest about its motivations it is doing no more than is asked of it by testing the extent of TVM's claim. i don't see a moral issue here. those that insist on imposing one are either making motive attributions that SHARK has denied, trying to capitalise on the situation for reasons of their own, or both. (i am also slightly amused by the idea that, by steadfastly refusing to recognise a land claim, SHARK has become part of the process of vetting it.) Edited by Angrim - 24 Sep 2015 at 13:50 |
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