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    Posted: 06 May 2011 at 18:21
I'm sure every single member of VALAR dedicated some time to this tournament.

There is no escaping the fact that 4% of the members obtained 50% of the total parts for VALAR though. Wink

That is my one and only cheap shot though. VALAR are going to thoroughly deserve their crown and prizes. (particularly their top 4%)

I think you VALAR guys will find youselves pulling ahead towards the finish though. Alliances competiting for top spaces are going to be giving up spamming armies and saving troops as their chances tof overtaking the alliance/player above them decreases.

(at least for "most Kills" categories... I'm guessing competition for "most unique collection" is going to remain tight right until the end.)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 18:16
Originally posted by Azreil Azreil wrote:

As leader of the Valar, I have this to say: the performance of our alliance in this tournament  is due to the fact that we performed as an alliance.  The individual performances of our top hunters is due to the fact that they hunted not only for themselves but for the alliance.  Ermm

Everybody is awed by the "singular" and "phenomenal" hunt of Boromir, but you know what? ...  I, as well as the rest of the VALAR, have been similarly awe-struck long time ago and long before Boromir joined the alliance.  :).  I could only be thankful therefore that Boromir chose to become one of us.   Clap

Also, I would like call attention the the reality that most of our members seen as "small" because of their population count, performed EXCEPTIONALLY WELL beyond expectations.  Many of you just didnt know it, they were actually our secret weapons, not Boromir.    He he.  Evil Smile

But let it be known, we never set out to join this tournament to be in a position to claim that we are the best or the better alliance. Angry  No. Thumbs Down

This is just a tournament y'know.  Don't bother to analyze. We were just lucky, SO FAR,  really.      Wink 

And its not yet over!  Tongue



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 18:14
As leader of the Valar, I have this to say: the performance of our alliance in this tournament  is due to the fact that we performed as an alliance.  The individual performances of our top hunters is due to the fact that they hunted not only for themselves but for the alliance.  Ermm

Everybody is awed by the "singular" and "phenomenal" hunt of Boromir, but you know what? ...  I, as well as the rest of the VALAR, have been similarly awe-struck long time ago and long before Boromir joined the alliance.  :).  I could only be thankful therefore that Boromir chose to become one of us.   Clap

Also, I would like call attention the the reality that most of our members seen as "small" because of their population count, performed EXCEPTIONALLY WELL beyond expectations.  Many of you just didnt know it, they were actually our secret weapons, not Boromir.    He he.  Evil Smile

But let it be known, we never set out to join this tournament to be in a position to claim that we are the best or the better alliance. Angry  No. Thumbs Down

This is just a tournament y'know.  Don't bother to analyze. We were just lucky, SO FAR,  really.      Wink 

And its not yet over!  Tongue









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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 16:26
Fact is that Valar or they members hold 3 first place of 4 possible.I recognize that as great achivment for alliance that started tourney with some 1.7mil pop, and salute that.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 10:41
Originally posted by Llyorn Of Jaensch Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote:

Originally posted by Aneirin Aneirin wrote:

 
You both failed and Harmless? failed. The Order of the Valar were the better allaince and now it is clear to the community that they are the most honourable alliance. 
 


At the commencement of the tournament (and for its majority) H? had almost exactly FIFTY (50) members. HALF VALAR's number and the top spot is still to come down to the wire. Removing VALAR's top player would relegate VALAR to second place. Removing Harmless's top FOUR players and we would STILL hold second place. Removing VALAR's top THREE players would relegate VALAR to THIRD place.
 
I think LoJ puts the situation very well. I congratulate Valar for winning this tournament, but it's clearly because of a few select members, not because Valar is a better alliance as a whole. Give us a tournament of the same type as the first one, and I think H? will clearly be in front again :)
 
By the way, I'm not in any way trying to insult Valar, merely stating a fact. And I'm not a member of Harmless?, so I'm not partial to them either.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 10:04
I was merely repeating and clarifying what the official ruling said, and explaining how it's done, nothing more, nothing less.
I have expressed my personal, unofficial views on the matter on page two of this thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 09:42
I think SC explained all that in bullet-point form last week.

But hey, it's always nice to hear from a different member of the Illy staff! ^^
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 07:30
 
Originally posted by Lionz Heartz Lionz Heartz wrote:

Originally posted by col0005 col0005 wrote:

I have to say I have no objection to sending large armies to occupy NPC squares for time poor players and I applaud H? for being clever with the use of diplomats, however I belive that the GM's should have removed the diplomat feature shortly after it was discovered as it doesn't make much sense.
 

Can you explain to me how the diplomat exploit works and what it does?

The use of diplomats to "pin" NPC army camps and NPC animal groups to their current place has been ruled as NOT an exploit, at least for the time being.

How it works is very simple. 


For instance, you send one basic scout (for its slower speed) to "scout" the composition of a NPC spawn, then before that one arrives you send another one, and then another one and so on and so forth until you get bored of sending scouts.
The effect is that the NPC spawn will never just vanish from the spot, but will keep being there as long as there's even a single diplomatic unit bearing down on its location.
If you do that with "undesirable" NPC spawns (army groups, legions of animals, etc) everywhere around a target city, that city's armies will have a more difficult time finding decently-sized NPC animal groups to hunt for XP and/or tournament body parts, and it will get increasingly difficult as more and more of the squares get occupied by large NPC animal groups or NPC army camps.

Again, this TACTIC has been deemed to NOT be an exploit.


Whether or not the mechanics of this particular tactic will be deemed either unbalanced or undesirable and therefore either be altered or outright removed in some nearer or farther future is unknown for now, and the consequences of any such alteration would need to be carefully weighed before any changes are made.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 May 2011 at 01:00
Originally posted by Aneirin Aneirin wrote:

 
You both failed and Harmless? failed. The Order of the Valar were the better allaince and now it is clear to the community that they are the most honourable alliance. 
 


Whilst tempted to reply in point Ill simply address your closing statement and avoid your trolling.

However you look at the numbers Harmless has, again, performed outstandingly.

At the commencement of the tournament (and for its majority) H? had almost exactly FIFTY (50) members. HALF VALAR's number and the top spot is still to come down to the wire. Removing VALAR's top player would relegate VALAR to second place. Removing Harmless's top FOUR players and we would STILL hold second place. Removing VALAR's top THREE players would relegate VALAR to THIRD place.

Harmless has performed competitively above its weight and in an Honourable fashion as the Devs AND the MAJORITY of neutral commentators have stated quite clearly.

Your accusations are baseless and you simply come across as bitter.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 May 2011 at 16:58
Pinning NPCs with diplos is not an exploit, it is just playing well. 

Kudos for Harmless? for playing so well, and Kudos to Valar and Boromir for winning anyway!

Good job all!
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