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    Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 04:02


As of 26 of November this is a rough estimate of the positioning of cities/forces from both sides, with SIN/300/TA2IN/LOKI being green, and AESIR/BANE/ECROW/EE/HELL/MCROW/STORM/SV/TEA/TROUT/UNBOW/VALOR/WOT being red. Does not include possible sympathizers such as IRON/TCOL .etc
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So THAT's who is fighting in this big war I occasionally hear about. Thanks!

As a contribution to see how things play out, here are the key stats at the moment on those alliances listed above (if others join, I'm happy to add them as well). It will be interesting what the map and stats look like once the dust settles....

Elgean Alliances
  Pop Mem Towns Land
AESIR 11,860,661 80 659 6,777
UNBOW 8,195,613 54 477 6,507
EE 7,795,159 60 444 4,877
MCROW 6,378,971 58 417 4,460
STORM 5,081,590 30 272 3,136
HELL 3,051,553 31 195 2,056
ECROW 2,306,781 16 128 1,441
TEA 751,038 8 55 798
BANE 1,611,454 14 96 743
TROUT 945,969 10 66 572
VALOR 226,869 23 68 137
SV 21,000 3 10 26
WOT 12,227 2 6 6
48,238,885 389 2,893 31,536

SINdicate
  Pop Mem Towns Land
LOKI 4,807,099 53 362 3,285
SIN 2,326,022 21 166 2,608
TA2IN 1,551,989 16 129 2,139
300 968,737 7 63 1,187
9,653,847 97 720 9,219

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I was curious how much things could change in 48 hours...here's what the data says, broken down by Current Stats, Numeric Delta, and Percentage Delta.

Current Stats

Elgean Alliances
  Pop Mem Towns Land
Aesir 11,841,343 80 659 6,782
Unbow 8,204,552 54 478 6,517
EE 7,783,154 60 442 4,888
mCrow 6,327,072 57 412 4,500
Storm 5,065,076 30 271 3,136
Hell 3,056,814 31 196 2,080
eCrow 2,307,735 16 128 1,441
TEA 751,714 8 55 798
Bane 1,612,414 14 96 743
TROUT 946,240 10 66 584
Valor 228,331 22 67 137
SV 21,024 3 10 26
WOT 12,227 2 6 6
48,157,696 387 2,886 31,638

SINdicate
  Pop Mem Towns Land
LOKI 4,798,687 50 355 3,299
SIN 2,323,936 21 166 2,608
TA2IN 1,490,000 16 124 2,038
300 969,880 7 63 1,201
9,582,503 94 708 9,146

Numeric Delta

Elgean Alliances
  Pop Mem Towns Land
Aesir -19,318 0 0 5
Unbow 8,939 0 1 10
EE -12,005 0 -2 11
mCrow -51,899 -1 -5 40
Storm -16,514 0 -1 0
Hell 5,261 0 1 24
eCrow 954 0 0 0
TEA 676 0 0 0
Bane 960 0 0 0
TROUT 271 0 0 12
Valor 1,462 -1 -1 0
SV 24 0 0 0
WOT 0 0 0 0
-81,189 -2 -7 102

SINdicate
  Pop Mem Towns Land
LOKI -8,412 -3 -7 14
SIN -2,086 0 0 0
TA2IN -61,989 0 -5 -101
300 1,143 0 0 14
-71,344 -3 -12 -73

Percentage Delta

Elgean Alliances
  Pop Mem Towns Land
Aesir 0% 0% 0% 0%
Unbow 0% 0% 0% 0%
EE 0% 0% 0% 0%
mCrow -1% -2% -1% 1%
Storm 0% 0% 0% 0%
Hell 0% 0% 1% 1%
eCrow 0% 0% 0% 0%
TEA 0% 0% 0% 0%
Bane 0% 0% 0% 0%
TROUT 0% 0% 0% 2%
Valor 1% -4% -1% 0%
SV 0% 0% 0% 0%
WOT 0% 0% 0% 0%
0% 0% -1% 0%

SINdicate
  Pop Mem Towns Land
LOKI 0% -6% -2% 0%
SIN 0% 0% 0% 0%
TA2IN -4% 0% -4% -5%
300 0% 0% 0% 1%
-1% -3% -2% -1%

This post is dedicated to all tha peoples what be officin' out there, reconcilin', copy-filin', spreadsheet-balancizin'… all that sh*t. Peace to all y'all.
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Cool, losses were probably due to the recent Unbow campaign in the southwest. Would be interesting to see the change in attack and defense stats of the alliances, but no doubt those would be inflated due to NPC and faction attacks.
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A slightly different view - Sin and confeds (red); Aesir and confeds (green). Not all (on either side) are involved but at least this can be objectively replicated. Taken fron today's town file so still includes some Ta2in towns razed earlier today.

Edited by Hucbold - 28 Nov 2017 at 16:52
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Aesir should win decisively, then. Wars in Illyriad are purely a function of population. That's because population is a good proxy for army size. We all know that the biggest armies win Illyriad wars. Peripheral factors like determination, martial prowess, organization, camaraderie, ferocity are really just myths. MMO urban legends foisted by delusional bloggers on a gullible muggle community. Right?

I mean really, can anyone name an Illyriad war in which a much smaller alliance with significantly fewer troops defeated a much larger alliance with bigger armies?
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I'm not quite ready to accept your surrender yet, Ten. You need to discount the totals for inactives which your people believe are nearly all of us and allow for gold farms outside the alliances and the importation of prestige from the real world for sale. There are also gold farms hidden in each others alliances - so the sindicate may well be fuelled by quiet membership in our allies alliances. We're looking for them but witch-hunting does not sit well on the goodie's shoulders. However I do agree that genuine popultion is a very good proxy for army size and this war is on a big enough scale for analysts to work out who has gold hidden where.
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Afterthought: Here's an example

6bn gold in over the last two months funds a lot of troops
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Originally posted by Hucbold Hucbold wrote:

I'm not quite ready to accept your surrender yet, Ten. You need to discount the totals for inactives which your people believe are nearly all of us and allow for gold farms outside the alliances and the importation of prestige from the real world for sale. There are also gold farms hidden in each others alliances - so the sindicate may well be fuelled by quiet membership in our allies alliances. We're looking for them but witch-hunting does not sit well on the goodie's shoulders. However I do agree that genuine popultion is a very good proxy for army size and this war is on a big enough scale for analysts to work out who has gold hidden where.

Hucbold, you can continue to bet on gold, permasats, population, roster bulk. I will continue to place my bet on determination, martial prowess, organization, camaraderie, ferocity. Maps and charts don't faze me. It is always my assumption that my opponents have an infinite gold treasury and infinite supplies. Wealth didn't save SHARK, VIC, Unbow in Newlands. Wealth didn't save vCrow in Farshards. Wealth didn't save EE in Gremont. Wealth will not save you now.
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