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    Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 00:00
So, for a while, ive been arguing that its better for newbies to level up their res plots equally while the prevailing wisdom (at least for many newbie guides) is to rush one plot to 7 so that you can build a Res % building (IE Carpentry).
 
So I decided to work it out mathematically...note that the following figures as based off info from the illy Arcanum.
 
Process
I figured out the increased production per hour for each level of res plot (WCIS and Food are separate) and the hours necessary to upgrade the res% buildings.
 
The key is to do different plans and see how much increased production per hour buildtime they took.
 
So we are gonna work off of a 5-5-5-5-5 res plot...(A res% building will have more power on a 7 res spot than a 3 res spot)
 
To upgrade all Wood (Or clay/Iron/Stone) plots from 0s to all 5s it takes 2.95 hours to get 225 production.
To upgrade the wood (Or C/I/S) plots to 3s and then rush one to 7 to get a R% Lv2 building it takes 3.48 hours (not counting the research time which makes it cost even more time) to get 169.52 production.
 
The Results
5-5-5-5-5-0% gives 76.27 production per hour
3-3-3-3-7-2% gives 48.71 production per hour
 
6-6-6-6-6-0% gives 46.83 production per hour (production is 295)
5-5-5-5-7-5% gives 29.81 production per hour (production is 280.5)
 
Determination
It is roughly 1.58 times more efficient to go the flat route rather than the '7 then % building' route.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bill_Cipher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Feb 2020 at 14:32
That's actually interesting. Didn't realize people pushed for the percentage building before finishing the res squares. Get them to level twelve then work on the % building if they wanted it.
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Get some prestige and some free 70 van resources. Build the storehouse/warehouse so you don't lose res before you use prestige.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valaera Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 13:40
I have never told a newbie to USE the building but in the case of carpentry it is needed to open up the research for bowry and fletching, and all the crafting therein.  Iron... smelting which is smithing and forging Chain and Swordsmithing.  Stonemasonry is same defensive structure (the wall).  

Most newbie guides talk about the opening the research not using the buildings.  But it is good to point out that the buildings themselves are more hinderance than help.

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The "rush to 7" city building strategy has been employed by "Training Alliances" in Illyriad as far back as I can remember. I'm actually surprised another Vet crunched the numbers to finally illustrate what a stupid strategy it was, but personally I think it was never intended to truly be a better strategy.

When the basis of recruitment in the peacenik alliances lay around being able to supply their new stock with resources then; it is no surprise that the premier city building strategy is one that ensures a longer need of more resources arriving, due to higher level storehouses/warehouses and one plot of each type being upgraded, than that specific new player achieving self sufficiency. 
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This assumes that you are online 100% of the time.  Generally a new player needs to get something up to the point where it takes 8+ hours to take advantage of building while they are at work or sleeping.  Having every building at say 2 hours generates less available build time that can be utilized in a 24 hour day.
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At the end of the day what is right for one player is not necessarily right for another. One of the strengths of Illy IMHO.
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A mentioned the point of the "Rush %buildings" strategy is that additional research and thus buildings are unlocked earlier. Comparing the resource production of each stragety is in my opinion pointless - as in Illy basic resources aren't really a bottleneck. Beeing self-sufficient in basic resources feels good, but from a player(/city) development and economic point of view it really sucks. If you do not want to ask for basic resources from GC or your alliance (and you should!) then buy them at the market.

In my opinion if new players want to play efficient they should focus on two things. First getting population and thus new cities as fast as possible - as it allows you to build more and thus grow even faster. Second getting advanced resource production running. There is a shortage for advanced resource, thus starting to produce them helps the player, the alliance and is a good decision from an economic point of view. For example chainmail sells for 450 gold but costs 130 gold (or less) as basic resources. For both points the "Rush %building" strategy is better.

Same with Prestige builds. Players should build basic resource plots last. Getting more population and faster advanced resource production helps the player a lot more than basic resource production. The game is "balanced" around using Prestige, thus gold and increasing gold income is really important. Population and advanced resource production helps with that, basic resource production doesn't.

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