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    Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 06:29
Here's a thread to keep track of the results of Roman Empire's war declaration against Iron Crusade. I'll be posting stats on the two sides periodically. Given the close relationship between RE and REBEL, I'll be including REBEL's stats as well. If any others join the war, please let me know and I'll include them.

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Roman Empire & Allies
  Pop Mem Towns Land
RE 4,271,785 58 337 2,894
REBEL 1,128,439 28 123 827
5,400,224 86 460 3,721

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Pop Mem Towns Land
IRON 749,934 18 98 905
749,934 18 98 905
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hamsun Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 09:49
Those stats look kind of one-sided.  I guess I want to join IRON...
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Yet again, I feel compelled to point out that population does not equate to military power. Population is just easier to measure directly, because alliances don't disclose their armies. The correlation of city size to army size might be acceptable for established tournament alliances, but the correlation is quite poor for military alliances.

What you really want to count are active players, and then count the cities of those players running 200-300% military sov (not food sov!). That gives a much better picture of who will enter a fight and sustain troop production until the end of a war.
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Updating the baseline stats to include more values including Atk, Def, and Diplo. Note that this data was pulled shortly before this post was made and any and all future comparisons will be made against this new data.

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Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,890 58 337 4,272,566 20,875,815 2,969,237 658,035 5,035,797
REBEL 816 28 123 1,129,964 3,126,493 427,707 196,257 196,013
3,706 86 460 5,402,530 24,002,308 3,396,944 854,292 5,231,810

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 895 18 98 751,799 905,981 121,963 33,258 81,431
895 18 98 751,799 905,981 121,963 33,258 81,431

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And here's what a day looks like in the Roman Empire vs. Iron Crusade war, including Atk, Def, and Diplo scores.

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Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,904 58 337 4,262,872 20,936,142 2,972,136 658,055 5,057,272
REBEL 829 28 124 1,139,279 3,185,507 429,739 196,267 196,013
3,733 86 461 5,402,151 24,121,649 3,401,875 854,322 5,253,285

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 918 20 104 774,258 950,325 124,990 33,904 175,836
918 20 104 774,258 950,325 124,990 33,904 175,836

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  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 14 0 0 -9,694 60,327 2,899 20 21,475
REBEL 13 0 1 9,315 59,014 2,032 10 0
27 0 1 -379 119,341 4,931 30 21,475

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 23 2 6 22,459 44,344 3,027 646 94,405
23 2 6 22,459 44,344 3,027 646 94,405

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Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
REBEL 2% 0% 1% 1% 2% 0% 0% 0%
1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 3% 11% 6% 3% 5% 2% 2% 116%
3% 11% 6% 3% 5% 2% 2% 116%

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Day 12. If anyone with insights would care to provide commentary, that would be welcome.

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Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,774 44 276 3,803,970 21,112,682 2,991,073 670,110 5,456,775
REBEL 855 32 136 1,156,265 3,336,557 450,573 198,635 198,030
3,629 76 412 4,960,235 24,449,239 3,441,646 868,745 5,654,805

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 1,161 20 115 922,242 1,555,859 165,544 50,497 422,325
1,161 20 115 922,242 1,555,859 165,544 50,497 422,325

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE -116 -14 -61 -468,596 236,867 21,836 12,075 420,978
REBEL 39 4 13 26,301 210,064 22,866 2,378 2,017
-77 -10 -48 -442,295 446,931 44,702 14,453 422,995

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 266 2 17 170,443 649,878 43,581 17,239 340,894
266 2 17 170,443 649,878 43,581 17,239 340,894

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Roman Empire & Allies
 LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDef
RE-4%-24%-18%-11%1%1%2%8%
REBEL5%14%11%2%7%5%1%1%
-2%-12%-10%-8%2%1%2%8%

Iron Crusade & Allies
 LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDef
IRON30%11%17%23%72%36%52%419%
30%11%17%23%72%36%52%419%
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Since there seems to be a big lack of news source (*cough* Illytimes I want you backWink) Then I will put up all the notable stuff that has happened since the start of war. And yes, I am a member of Iron but I will try and stay non bias.
 
- RE mounted a siege against Spektor's Hillend numbering less than 200k troops. It was broken by Hell & Iron forces, as per an agreement before the war for Hell to defend us while we are setting up, and RE declared on Hell. Hell has since come to a separate arrangement with RE to not attack anymore RE sieges, and have exited conflict.
- Several Iron members such as WALLIS and Viperone have been working independently, removing cities outside RE's landclaim by sieging or negotiating with them. After some of the smaller sieges landed, the players were kicked or left RE. A few minor razes have been secured with no RE siege breaks.
- Patience King has exo'd a city out of The Long White away from an Iron attack
- Iron has continued to move cities into Aindara.
 
There has been nothing else major, just the usual diplo missions and attacks from either side.
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I like how REBEL is in there but not YARR or HORDE. We are not apart of this conflict and the numbers are just getting inflated on RE side. Why are Aesir? Hell? and SAINT? not on that list? 

So would ask you please take REBEL off to show a more accurate number of who is fighting instead of inflating numbers. 

Thank you 


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Originally posted by Tucic Tucic wrote:

I like how REBEL is in there but not YARR or HORDE. We are not apart of this conflict and the numbers are just getting inflated on RE side. Why are Aesir? Hell? and SAINT? not on that list? 

So would ask you please take REBEL off to show a more accurate number of who is fighting instead of inflating numbers. 

Thank you 

Hi Tucic, I included REBEL in the initial numbers I posted because RE and REBEL describe each other as "sister alliances" and because both alliances have the following text on their summary pages: "any Confederations signed are expected to mutually defend each other when called upon."

That said, I have no clue who is fighting whom...I just like numbers...and so I requested any insights in to what is actually happening be shared. Given that you lead REBEL and have stated that you're not part of the conflict, I will, of course, remove REBEL from any future updates I may post.

Regarding the other alliances you mentioned, I've only heard HELL mentioned in a previous post as having "exited conflict", so I wasn't intending to include them in future posts. As for the other alliances, if they (or any others) are participating in the war, then I'd ask their leadership to post a confirmation here so that I may include them going forward. Do it for posterity...do it for the children.

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Day 21. At Tucic's request I have excluded REBEL from this set of numbers, including removing them from the baseline numbers that deltas are calculated against. Thus, it is as if they were never a part of this conflict (which apparently they weren't!). Apologies for any confusion this may cause.

Current Stats

Roman Empire
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,882 44 276 3,808,329 21,264,615 3,001,896 688,392 5,672,584

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 1,186 21 122 947,057 2,032,614 185,440 57,083 654,549

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE -8 -14 -61 -464,237 388,800 32,659 30,357 636,787

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 291 3 24 195,258 1,126,633 63,477 23,825 573,118

Percentage Delta

Roman Empire
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 0% -24% -18% -11% 2% 1% 5% 13%

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 33% 17% 24% 26% 124% 52% 72% 704%
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