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Topic: RE vs. IRON War Stats
Posted By: Mafro
Subject: RE vs. IRON War Stats
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 06:29
Here's a thread to keep track of the results of Roman Empire's war declaration against Iron Crusade. I'll be posting stats on the two sides periodically. Given the close relationship between RE and REBEL, I'll be including REBEL's stats as well. If any others join the war, please let me know and I'll include them.

Current Stats

Roman Empire & Allies
  Pop Mem Towns Land
RE 4,271,785 58 337 2,894
REBEL 1,128,439 28 123 827
5,400,224 86 460 3,721

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Pop Mem Towns Land
IRON 749,934 18 98 905
749,934 18 98 905



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Posted By: Hamsun
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 09:49
Those stats look kind of one-sided.  I guess I want to join IRON...


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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 13:04
Yet again, I feel compelled to point out that population does not equate to military power. Population is just easier to measure directly, because alliances don't disclose their armies. The correlation of city size to army size might be acceptable for established tournament alliances, but the correlation is quite poor for military alliances.

What you really want to count are active players, and then count the cities of those players running 200-300% military sov (not food sov!). That gives a much better picture of who will enter a fight and sustain troop production until the end of a war.

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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 19:50
Updating the baseline stats to include more values including Atk, Def, and Diplo. Note that this data was pulled shortly before this post was made and any and all future comparisons will be made against this new data.

Current Stats

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,890 58 337 4,272,566 20,875,815 2,969,237 658,035 5,035,797
REBEL 816 28 123 1,129,964 3,126,493 427,707 196,257 196,013
3,706 86 460 5,402,530 24,002,308 3,396,944 854,292 5,231,810

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 895 18 98 751,799 905,981 121,963 33,258 81,431
895 18 98 751,799 905,981 121,963 33,258 81,431



Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2017 at 22:41
And here's what a day looks like in the Roman Empire vs. Iron Crusade war, including Atk, Def, and Diplo scores.

Current Stats

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,904 58 337 4,262,872 20,936,142 2,972,136 658,055 5,057,272
REBEL 829 28 124 1,139,279 3,185,507 429,739 196,267 196,013
3,733 86 461 5,402,151 24,121,649 3,401,875 854,322 5,253,285

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 918 20 104 774,258 950,325 124,990 33,904 175,836
918 20 104 774,258 950,325 124,990 33,904 175,836

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 14 0 0 -9,694 60,327 2,899 20 21,475
REBEL 13 0 1 9,315 59,014 2,032 10 0
27 0 1 -379 119,341 4,931 30 21,475

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 23 2 6 22,459 44,344 3,027 646 94,405
23 2 6 22,459 44,344 3,027 646 94,405

Percentage Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%
REBEL 2% 0% 1% 1% 2% 0% 0% 0%
1% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0% 0%

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 3% 11% 6% 3% 5% 2% 2% 116%
3% 11% 6% 3% 5% 2% 2% 116%



Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2017 at 18:44
Day 12. If anyone with insights would care to provide commentary, that would be welcome.

Current Stats

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,774 44 276 3,803,970 21,112,682 2,991,073 670,110 5,456,775
REBEL 855 32 136 1,156,265 3,336,557 450,573 198,635 198,030
3,629 76 412 4,960,235 24,449,239 3,441,646 868,745 5,654,805

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 1,161 20 115 922,242 1,555,859 165,544 50,497 422,325
1,161 20 115 922,242 1,555,859 165,544 50,497 422,325

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE -116 -14 -61 -468,596 236,867 21,836 12,075 420,978
REBEL 39 4 13 26,301 210,064 22,866 2,378 2,017
-77 -10 -48 -442,295 446,931 44,702 14,453 422,995

Iron Crusade & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 266 2 17 170,443 649,878 43,581 17,239 340,894
266 2 17 170,443 649,878 43,581 17,239 340,894

Percentage Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
 LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDef
RE-4%-24%-18%-11%1%1%2%8%
REBEL5%14%11%2%7%5%1%1%
-2%-12%-10%-8%2%1%2%8%

Iron Crusade & Allies
 LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDef
IRON30%11%17%23%72%36%52%419%
30%11%17%23%72%36%52%419%


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 20:16
Since there seems to be a big lack of news source (*cough* Illytimes I want you backWink) Then I will put up all the notable stuff that has happened since the start of war. And yes, I am a member of Iron but I will try and stay non bias.
 
- RE mounted a siege against Spektor's Hillend numbering less than 200k troops. It was broken by Hell & Iron forces, as per an agreement before the war for Hell to defend us while we are setting up, and RE declared on Hell. Hell has since come to a separate arrangement with RE to not attack anymore RE sieges, and have exited conflict.
- Several Iron members such as WALLIS and Viperone have been working independently, removing cities outside RE's landclaim by sieging or negotiating with them. After some of the smaller sieges landed, the players were kicked or left RE. A few minor razes have been secured with no RE siege breaks.
- Patience King has exo'd a city out of The Long White away from an Iron attack
- Iron has continued to move cities into Aindara.
 
There has been nothing else major, just the usual diplo missions and attacks from either side.


Posted By: Tucic
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2017 at 20:11
I like how REBEL is in there but not YARR or HORDE. We are not apart of this conflict and the numbers are just getting inflated on RE side. Why are Aesir? Hell? and SAINT? not on that list? 

So would ask you please take REBEL off to show a more accurate number of who is fighting instead of inflating numbers. 

Thank you 


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2017 at 22:26
Originally posted by Tucic Tucic wrote:

I like how REBEL is in there but not YARR or HORDE. We are not apart of this conflict and the numbers are just getting inflated on RE side. Why are Aesir? Hell? and SAINT? not on that list? 

So would ask you please take REBEL off to show a more accurate number of who is fighting instead of inflating numbers. 

Thank you 

Hi Tucic, I included REBEL in the initial numbers I posted because RE and REBEL describe each other as "sister alliances" and because both alliances have the following text on their summary pages: "any Confederations signed are expected to mutually defend each other when called upon."

That said, I have no clue who is fighting whom...I just like numbers...and so I requested any insights in to what is actually happening be shared. Given that you lead REBEL and have stated that you're not part of the conflict, I will, of course, remove REBEL from any future updates I may post.

Regarding the other alliances you mentioned, I've only heard HELL mentioned in a previous post as having "exited conflict", so I wasn't intending to include them in future posts. As for the other alliances, if they (or any others) are participating in the war, then I'd ask their leadership to post a confirmation here so that I may include them going forward. Do it for posterity...do it for the children.

Best,

Mafro


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2017 at 22:34
Day 21. At Tucic's request I have excluded REBEL from this set of numbers, including removing them from the baseline numbers that deltas are calculated against. Thus, it is as if they were never a part of this conflict (which apparently they weren't!). Apologies for any confusion this may cause.

Current Stats

Roman Empire
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,882 44 276 3,808,329 21,264,615 3,001,896 688,392 5,672,584

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 1,186 21 122 947,057 2,032,614 185,440 57,083 654,549

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE -8 -14 -61 -464,237 388,800 32,659 30,357 636,787

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 291 3 24 195,258 1,126,633 63,477 23,825 573,118

Percentage Delta

Roman Empire
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 0% -24% -18% -11% 2% 1% 5% 13%

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 33% 17% 24% 26% 124% 52% 72% 704%


Posted By: Tucic
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2017 at 07:44
No worries Mafro and thank you. i love statistics. Math is one of the few universal languages that we can all understand. (for the most part.)

And yes, we were never apart of this conflict and no apologies needed. You were just doing stats!

Hope you are well and have a great new year everyone. 

Dont miss the moon on the 1st!!!!!

T and Friends 




Posted By: Whakomatic
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2017 at 07:42
I suggest you sum the numbers from here by alliance:
http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/HeraldMilitary" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/HeraldMilitary

and the defense page.

That will get you actual losses on each side.


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2017 at 18:52
Originally posted by Whakomatic Whakomatic wrote:

I suggest you sum the numbers from here by alliance:
http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/HeraldMilitary" rel="nofollow - http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/HeraldMilitary

and the defense page.

That will get you actual losses on each side.

It's a good thought...and a shame there's not an easier way to get accurate tallies of losses on each side. In this case, if I understand you correctly, it would need to be done daily (from the Battles Yesterday section), and that would only grab the "top" battles of the day, leaving out any and all others. It would also require a fair amount of copying and pasting as well as some intelligent restructuring of the data each day to group it appropriately.

In the case of the data I have been posting, to get it literally requires me to copy and paste twice (once for RE, once for IRON) from the Alliance Leaderboard into a spreadsheet that automagically does all the other calculations. It takes about 30 seconds. In fact, it takes far longer to format the forum post than it does to grab the data.

That being the case, if someone else wants to sign up to grab daily battle stats for the major alliances that are at war, be my guest.... Wink


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 13:01
So thought I'd add a quick update for all those interested and to explain the rise in the stats:
 
- Early on the 28th Iron came under fire from a siege from RE, again against Spektor's Hillend I and also a siege from Rashidi of Loki against Karl Aegis's Rime Berta.
- Rashihi's siege was first to fall, being recalled and was a very impressive siege force from a single player. The motive behind sending the siege is still unknown, and in response to this Iron declared war on Loki.
- The RE siege was dealt with second, as it was the smaller of the two sieges. 'Hillend I' was under siege for a two day period, before PK's 1,300 archer storm force was killed at the gates. As I am writing this the siege forces are being recalled from around Hillend.
- All forces used to kill the sieges were Iron troops.
- Iron continue to move cities into Aindara.
 
Big smile


Posted By: DeliciousJosh
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 13:15
How much cav was used to kill the forest sieges?

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Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 14:10
More than a little, less than a lot  Tongue


Posted By: SPQR
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 14:55
Correction the raze army was killed, but the siege armies reinforcing are marching home so the notion that the blockade or siege was broken by iron forces is hilarious.

They spent all infantry and cavalry forces they had on hand, they broke rashidi siege but left the block with over 200k troops fully intact while the RE reinforcements were fully intact I did not have 1 report of an army being destroyed apart from the small raze force .

Rome and Rashidi are pleased by the results , once they were drained they stuck to small elites to try and break the siege, they could not even break the blockade numbering 50k troops which are marching home.

Villan moves in cities for them to get cleared, kentbitd used all her cavalry on Rashidi while viperone used 5k knights that he has left after depleting his cavalry forces direct attacking Westmarch cities !

Don't be fooled by the scoreboard the loss has been due to RE removing inactives and isolated accounts and newbies since that's all that iron could siege.

We had a siege in iron heartland for over 2 days , 3 days now while we recall.and did not have the numbers to break anything apart from Rashidi siege of t1 kobolts while he recalled with half his forces fully intact and ready to go !

Iron is like a todder have a big mouth but shows up with 5k stalwarts ? *ahem * king sigerius. Or hyde who.shows up with 2k Marshalls lol

That's all I will comment , any concerns or questions can be directed to Jaxie or patience king have a blessed day


Posted By: Dessembrae
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 15:00
Originally posted by DeliciousJosh DeliciousJosh wrote:

How much cav was used to kill the forest sieges?

A lot less cavalry than you and pico used to to siege he-man in Kul-tar a couple years ago, wanna remind us how much you used then?


Posted By: Dessembrae
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 15:05
Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:



Iron is like a todder have a big mouth but shows up with 5k stalwarts ? *ahem * king sigerius. Or hyde who.shows up with 2k Marshalls lol

That's all I will comment , any concerns or questions can be directed to Jaxie or patience king have a blessed day

I lost my pacifier... Beware!!!!!


Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 15:16
King Sig killed 30k of your troops and got 50k exp from those 5k stals :P  Iron and myself have a lot more inf where that came from.  Also I had a few more stals marching and got another decent kill after you failed your raze.  http://prntscr.com/hu7cbj" rel="nofollow - http://prntscr.com/hu7cbj re cav defending on a forest? There was a decent amount of them. A few members seige timers ran out during the seige. Was a decent seige re I'll give you that, but all the troops in the world won't get you a raze if you if don't know how to use them.  And of course some re member signs up to the forums to troll without using his real account name. Btw, Aga, I told you re was going to try and justify their loss. :P     -The Big Mouth Toddler, who didn't have to send many troops because re sucks.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 15:29
Since RE decided to grace us with their presence, I feel compelled to respond. So,
Rashidi siege: We broke the siege (as you said above) and the blockade forces were recalled. Hence why I said he recalled it. The siege is no longer there, I say it was a win.
 
Elites: we resorted to use elites to save our remaining infantry as we had figured out that PK would be stupid enough to try to storm with 1,300 t1 bows. RE, you need a proper storm force for a siege, more than 12k defensive units!
 
Villian: The loss is regretful, but the loss wasn't major.
 
Kentbird: Some of her cav was used in the small forest, the ratios were as expected and we have no regrets.
 
Killing cav behind walls: Congrats RE, you've killed some cavalry that was too far off to be helpful in real ops. In fact, I personally scouted all the cities that viper hit with 400 t2 scouts and got a report every time. Also very rich, isn't it? You celebrating about killing cav behind walls when aga killed a lot of PK's and jtk's when they tried to clear Mother of Darkness and your cav received 1:1 ratios with our kobolds. Each time you boost his defence score it boosts his ego you know, so be careful.
 
RE's roster losses: PK didn't consult his whole alliance when declaring war, and many have jumped ship because of that. Look at your alliance map, nearly all your cities are in westmarch now. Those strendur towns? you used to have more there. Coanhara? I swear you had a very good cluster from a military player there....
 
Rashidi's motives: Seems that from your post, Rashidi is an RE sat or alt that you hid in Loki. Why? Because you were too scared to move it into RE and you have to hide it. Very dirty guys, going to that length against "toddlers"?
 
As for your toddler comment: Yes, we are all illy toddlers. My account has been around for 2 months, similar to sigs. RE under PK has, and only ever will, pick on enemies it has a large advantage over because he is a coward. You have become a stale tournament alliance that declares on noob alliances near you (TheCo, SoE, Iron). You may want to bring up the fCrow v vCrow stuff, but really all RE members did there was bump up the roster and let PK waddle around shouting "This is my bit of BL!" while daddy Stukahh sat laughing and tugged on the kiddie reigns from time to time.
 
If RE feels we are out of troops, then resend on Hillend. 3rd times a charm?


Posted By: spektor
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 15:32
Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

Correction the raze army was killed, but the siege armies reinforcing are marching home so the notion that the blockade or siege was broken by iron forces is hilarious.

They spent all infantry and cavalry forces they had on hand, they broke rashidi siege but left the block with over 200k troops fully intact while the RE reinforcements were fully intact I did not have 1 report of an army being destroyed apart from the small raze force .

Rome and Rashidi are pleased by the results , once they were drained they stuck to small elites to try and break the siege, they could not even break the blockade numbering 50k troops which are marching home.

Villan moves in cities for them to get cleared, kentbitd used all her cavalry on Rashidi while viperone used 5k knights that he has left after depleting his cavalry forces direct attacking Westmarch cities !

Don't be fooled by the scoreboard the loss has been due to RE removing inactives and isolated accounts and newbies since that's all that iron could siege.

We had a siege in iron heartland for over 2 days , 3 days now while we recall.and did not have the numbers to break anything apart from Rashidi siege of t1 kobolts while he recalled with half his forces fully intact and ready to go !

Iron is like a todder have a big mouth but shows up with 5k stalwarts ? *ahem * king sigerius. Or hyde who.shows up with 2k Marshalls lol

That's all I will comment , any concerns or questions can be directed to Jaxie or patience king have a blessed day


Oh my. That's a whole lotta untrue presumptions.

I too am pleased by the results. Thank you for the great battle.


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 19:42
Day 24. Thanks for all the commentary...makes the game more interesting!

Given the declaration of war by IRON on LOKI, I will be including LOKI on the RE side of the stats, at least until such time as things change. Note that the deltas will continue to be calculated against the original baseline numbers, meaning that the RE side will show a distinct uptick in most stats as a result of another alliance joining the fight on their side, willingly or not. If at some point peace between IRON and LOKI is reinstated, I will then remove LOKI from RE's stats.

Current Stats

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE 2,863 43 274 3,813,441 21,427,433 3,012,018 723,750 6,056,486
LOKI 3,517 42 328 4,639,148 23,860,187 1,973,384 1,957,549 6,865,511
6,380 85 602 8,452,589 45,287,620 4,985,402 2,681,299 12,921,997

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 1,204 22 126 954,557 3,271,493 200,929 116,578 750,473
1,204 22 126 954,557 3,271,493 200,929 116,578 750,473

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE -27 -15 -63 -459,125 551,618 42,781 65,715 1,020,689
LOKI 3,517 42 328 4,639,148 23,860,187 1,973,384 1,957,549 6,865,511
3,490 27 265 4,180,023 24,411,805 2,016,165 2,023,264 7,886,200

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 309 4 28 202,758 2,365,512 78,966 83,320 669,042
309 4 28 202,758 2,365,512 78,966 83,320 669,042

Percentage Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
RE -1% -26% -19% -11% 3% 1% 10% 20%
LOKI                
121% 47% 79% 98% 117% 68% 307% 157%

Iron Crusade
  Land Mem Towns Pop Atk Build Diplo Def
IRON 35% 22% 29% 27% 261% 65% 251% 822%
35% 22% 29% 27% 261% 65% 251% 822%


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 20:46
Day 27. I've moved my process from Excel to Google Sheets. If you'd like the raw data I'm collecting in spreadsheet form, or additional columns of data than what I post here, click the link below. And if you like having the data in spreadsheet format, click the "Thanks" link above or drop me a line in game so I know to keep doing it. :)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

Current Stats

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE2,928422703,813,17221,465,8123,018,597766,7206,060,14226,593,102
LOKI3,572423264,643,13324,135,9361,983,8461,959,9056,869,175226,776,981
6,500845968,456,30545,601,7485,002,4432,726,62512,929,317253,370,083

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON1,23121117903,9553,304,146211,348117,408763,53313,802,829

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE38-16-67-459,394589,99749,360108,6851,024,34553,327
LOKI3,572423264,643,13324,135,9361,983,8461,959,9056,869,175226,776,981
3,610262594,183,73924,725,9332,033,2062,068,5907,893,520226,830,308

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON336319152,1562,398,16589,38584,150682,1021,835,999

Percentage Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE1%-28%-20%-11%3%2%17%20%0%
LOKI
125%45%77%98%118%68%314%157%855%

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON38%17%19%20%265%73%253%838%15%



Posted By: viperone
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 01:35
Such hilarious nonsense posted from RE...my advice is not to dodge my remaining 5k cav...i love information that was not provided by scouts...weeeeeeeeee!   now where should i send and suicide my poor lonely 5k cav.....


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2018 at 18:52
Day 28.

In response to a good question I received about the stats, if either side adds (or loses) a member, that account's current towns, population, etc. are added to (or removed from) that side's stats. As the new member wasn't part of the conflict at the time the baseline was captured (Dec 6th.), they're full strength has been added to a side (as opposed to a delta against whatever strength they might have had at the baseline date, which we almost certainly wouldn't know anyway).

This is true for LOKI, who is new to this war, and the stats reflect their current strength being added to the RE side, not a delta against some baseline.

And, yes, I'm now including Magic in what's being pasted here because coming from Google Sheets the font is smaller and it now fits. I actually find it kinda interesting (though I also don't really understand it).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

Current Stats

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE2,940402643,803,14721,468,7753,020,164768,9466,060,14226,593,102
LOKI3,572423274,651,41724,648,6881,986,9931,959,9356,869,545227,788,881
6,512825918,454,56446,117,4635,007,1572,728,88112,929,687254,381,983

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON1,16521117900,9643,312,411214,290118,608763,53313,810,604

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE50-18-73-469,419592,96050,927110,9111,024,34553,327
LOKI3,572423274,651,41724,648,6881,986,9931,959,9356,869,545227,788,881
3,622242544,181,99825,241,6482,037,9202,070,8467,893,890227,842,208

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON270319149,1652,406,43092,32785,350682,1021,843,774

Percentage Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE2%-31%-22%-11%3%2%17%20%0%
LOKI
125%41%75%98%121%69%315%157%858%

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON30%17%19%20%266%76%257%838%15%


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 07:26
Day 29.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

Current Stats

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE2,887402583,695,04821,537,2063,022,666769,5466,060,14226,593,102
LOKI3,653433374,738,84624,708,2471,991,0451,961,4556,872,787227,788,881
6,540835958,433,89446,245,4535,013,7112,731,00112,932,929254,381,983

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON1,21021117895,4583,331,958219,814119,675855,32213,814,254

Numeric Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE-3-18-79-577,518661,39153,429111,5111,024,34553,327
LOKI3,653433374,738,84624,708,2471,991,0451,961,4556,872,787227,788,881
3,650252584,161,32825,369,6382,044,4742,072,9667,897,132227,842,208

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON315319143,6592,425,97797,85186,417773,8911,847,424

Percentage Delta

Roman Empire & Allies
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
RE0%-31%-23%-14%3%2%17%20%0%
LOKI
126%43%77%97%122%69%315%157%858%

Iron Crusade
LandMemTownsPopAtkBuildDiploDefMagic
IRON35%17%19%19%268%80%260%950%15%



Posted By: Cesena
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 21:43
Although I am involved in another war, I do have a question.
Loki is also involved in that other war. Aren't you mixing up two statistics of two different wars?


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 01:22
Originally posted by Cesena Cesena wrote:

Although I am involved in another war, I do have a question.
Loki is also involved in that other war. Aren't you mixing up two statistics of two different wars?

There's two separate threads and two separate spreadsheets containing two separate sets of stats for the two separate wars. It just so happens that LOKI is a participant in both wars. As a result, their stats are included in both wars. If they exit either war, or both, their stats will be removed from the appropriate spreadsheet(s).

That said, these stats don't really reflect how much they (or anyone) are attacking or being attacked in any war. However, I don't know a better way to track the relative strength of each war's participants...if you (or anyone) has a suggestion, I'm definitely open to it.

Yours,

Mafro


Posted By: digiosox
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 05:24
Loki is involved in a lot of wars and I do not think this RE/IRON war has LOKI's full attention. Maybe just a few members.


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 06:52
Day 30.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 04:19
Day 31.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 06:20
Day 33.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 02:36
Day 34. Got something new to add to the mix, thanks to Tensmoor...a list of all players who have joined or left the alliances participating in this war, since our baseline date of December 6th. Thanks Tens!!! :)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

Click below to see all war runners, surrendered players, and abandoned accounts, as well as those who have bravely joined in the struggle...!

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - Warring Alliances Cowards & Heroes!

Yeah, I know you're not all either cowards or heroes...but "Alliance Membership Delta Tracker" didn't quite have the same ring. Wink


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 05:11
Day 36.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON Cowards & Heroes!


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 08:20
Day 37.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Cowards & Heroes!


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 04:50
Day 38. Change in the stats with this war has been fairly slow and steady. Since the beginning of the year, IRON has added 4 towns and 36k population, while RE has lost 8 towns and 88k population. Any informed insights welcome!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Cowards & Heroes!


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 14:44
Well... nothing major has happened really. The gain of towns is from exoing into Aindara and pop growth from building up cities out of exodus.
 
There was a skirmish outside Karl Aegis's Golden Dawn (which I am still unsure about what it was on REs part, genuinely curious) and since Spektor wasn't being sieged, he got bored and did a hit-and-run 2 army siege of Jaxie's Bulfontien where we managed to get in 3 bombardments as planned before recall.


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 04:46
Day 39.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Cowards & Heroes!


Posted By: Jaxie
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 07:19
When i get bored I dont send a 'hit and run' siege where i lose most of my siege engines plus pretty much all of the defense that was sent with it to cover it. I'm not going to quote numbers, I dont do tit for tat or trolling, but if you are going to give 'impartial' news make it accurate please :)


Posted By: spektor
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 00:40
Originally posted by Jaxie Jaxie wrote:

When i get bored I dont send a 'hit and run' siege where i lose most of my siege engines plus pretty much all of the defense that was sent with it to cover it. I'm not going to quote numbers, I dont do tit for tat or trolling, but if you are going to give 'impartial' news make it accurate please :)


I can confirm that Hyde's account of the situation is accurate.


Posted By: Jaxie
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 06:44
lol so why not post the numbers that you lost when you got 'bored'. Losing virtually all of a large siege army plus substantial defense is hardly hit and run........


Posted By: viperone
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 08:30
Large siege army? pffft.....this from an alliance that sends a 'fake' siege, fails to raze on another siege, and loses a third siege within 20 minutes of landing...when we send a serious siege you will know it

skips away merrily down the bunny trail...lalalalala


Posted By: spektor
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 12:56
Originally posted by Jaxie Jaxie wrote:

... I dont do ... trolling...


Hmmmmmm


Posted By: Jaxie
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 18:26
lol, you still don't want to post the numbers though do you. Well enjoy yourselves gents, time will tell after all. We will just have to wait and see what happens wont we.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 19:09
Originally posted by Jaxie Jaxie wrote:

of a large siege army
the colossal number of 35k sents
 
Originally posted by Jaxie Jaxie wrote:

plus substantial defense
 
an unbelievable 14k t2 spears
 


Posted By: King Sigerius
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 19:31
^ Hahahaha if that's a large seige army you should just surrender now.


Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 03:05
For the record, you can't throw out some bait in the same sentence you say you don't troll. There has to be a period in between.

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I am not amused.


Posted By: OssianII
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 11:45
Originally posted by KarL Aegis KarL Aegis wrote:

For the record, you can't throw out some bait in the same sentence you say you don't troll. There has to be a period in between.

A word to the wise. 

The first rule of Trolling - SKIP THE RULE BOOK! Big smile



OssianII
Best GM Illyriad Never Had (ret'd) Tongue


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"The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fells like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells." ~ J R R Tolkien


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 15:06
Day 43.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Cowards & Heroes!


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 05:25
Day 47.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Cowards & Heroes!


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2018 at 06:30
Day 50.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Cowards & Heroes!


Posted By: spektor
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2018 at 21:51
Mafro, you should add a quick summary of any significant changes you see in your stats versus last update, and any suspected causes of those changes.


Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2018 at 22:41
Since you're a participant, perhaps you could enlighten us directly, rather than having Mafro speculate.

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Check out my blog, http://illywarmonger.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow - Warmongering in Illyriad for self-defense techniques, military city construction, and PvP strategies.


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2018 at 07:28
Originally posted by spektor spektor wrote:

Mafro, you should add a quick summary of any significant changes you see in your stats versus last update, and any suspected causes of those changes.

I've provided summaries of significant changes with the Grand SIN war a couple times, as it is fairly complex with its numerous participants. I may continue to do that on occasion, when the mood strikes, perhaps even with the other wars I'm tracking...but there are others who are probably better at providing commentary, especially the actual combatants themselves.

The Illy Telegraph and Illy Times have, in the past, offered commentary on conflicts...personally, I'd like to see them continue to do so, and for my own role to remain simply a gatherer and sharer of stats.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2018 at 12:44
I agree, so time to crack out some recent news!
 
First off, Villan lost 4 cities to Loki in Lapo'a Lua. It was far from Iron homeland, so there was nothing we could really do. It was a bit cheap imo considering he was already exoing out from before the Loki war and I feel 4 cities razed to an account in a short space of time is a little on the extreme side. But, credit where credit is due, it was a very effective op that was executed well.   
 
On the Western Front, we managed a raze on Lotherbac's [Loki] town of Moria.
 
Also we faced a Rashidi-RE joint siege on Karl Aegis' Rime Berta. It was composed of a blockade and siege from both factions involved, with no troop crossover. The first to fall was the RE blockade as we managed to exploit holes in their timings (by Karl Aegis). Next to fall was the Rashidi siege (killed by Spektor), then his blockade (broken by Lord Sunshine) and finally the RE siege (broken by King Sig). The RE siege force managed to escape due to recall, but the rest of the siege didn't this time.
 
Over a million troops died in the forests outside Rime Berta, with the biggest kills being 360k credited to Lord Sunshine and 340k credited to Spektor.


Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2018 at 17:21
Had you guys bothered to look at how Loki operates and not followed the usual illy mentality of blaming whole alliances for individual actions you might not have been so quick to declare war on Loki. You did however declare war and thus threw Villan under the bus to make yourselves feel good by declaring war. Had you not rushed into declaring war Villan would have been left in peace to exodus. You guys declared war and thus the loss of his cities rests with your leadership

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Kaggen is my human half


Posted By: Dessembrae
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2018 at 20:02
You are full of it!!!
I have a copy of the the igm you send your alliance a month or so ago stating very clearly that Loki is at war (dated prior to our current conflict,you guys know how to make friends) and that the time of each player going their own way is not acceptable anymore and everyone needs to assist in the war effort.
I can forward you a copy of the igm if you don't remember what you instructed your own members!!!

P.S I also spoke to fiona and she refused to kick out Rashidi.




Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2018 at 21:32
Lmfao. And why would we kick someone because an idiot like you said so? You seriouly believe we do not know our alliance wide messages are spread around? You seriously believe we really publish anything there without a reason. If you are so easily fooled by things like that perhaps you are just like the rest of our enemies. Useless and predictable. Bottom line, you are the moron who declared war on Loki, now deal with it. We do not boot players because they happen to stand up to you.

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Kaggen is my human half


Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2018 at 23:53
You're really adamant on this whole peanut gallery thing. Shoo.

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I am not amused.


Posted By: Dessembrae
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 02:40
ROFLMAO sure call me names but we all know who the idiot is!!! The one that wrote up your alliances page for one and the ones that believe the drivel on it!


Posted By: viperone
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2018 at 10:42
Here we go again...name calling....it seems to be a Sindicate specialty sad to say..Perhaps we should throw some of LOKI's non military members under the bus in retaliation; but then that would make us just like them...The sad part is many of their members have bought into the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.


Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2018 at 05:16
Day 53. There is evidence of some major battles having been fought the last couple days. Iron saw it's Attack points jump by 1.5 million, while RE and Loki each saw their Defense points increase by about 450k.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BkYHOJEBXzkFcMEwQnb_7WQtqexn0PBkMglsNQJyjIo/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Stats

http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker2.html" rel="nofollow - RE-IRON War Cowards & Heroes!


Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2018 at 20:51
1.5 million vs 450k is just terrible.

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I am not amused.


Posted By: Tink XX
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 03:06
I've made an attempt to graph the data presented here by Mafro (not finished going through the data though).

Would be cool if we had the sieges to superimpose on this chart as circles.


The scale factor is 1000.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 17:48
After some... "exciting" digging through reports here are the dates of the major sieges:
 
- The first skirmish of Hillend I by RE on Dec 9
- The second siege of Hillend I by RE on Dec 28
- The first besiegement of Rime Berta by Rashidi at Dec 28
- The Battle of Villan by Loki from Jan 18 - 21
- The second siege at Rime Berta by RE + Rashidi at Jan 25


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 18:44
Originally posted by Tink XX Tink XX wrote:

I've made an attempt to graph the data presented here by Mafro (not finished going through the data though).

Would be cool if we had the sieges to superimpose on this chart as circles.


I've got a js script that will collect any siege news flashes in GC and currently stores them using localStorage. Next part is to write the code to download it as a csv file to your device.

If you would rather have the data from the Herald page I can work on that instead if you like (csv download just the same but without the details of the sending town).

Tens


Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2018 at 19:21
Siege data taken straight from the Herald Siege page.

Fields are separated by || as the coords field has a single | in it.

TargetPlayerId||TargetPlayerName||TargetTownID||TargetTownName||TargetCoords||SendingPlayerID||SendingPlayerName||SiegeStarted
"359997||Sarcry||463344||Tinaville||[-561|-720] in Azura||56322||Huntsmen||Thu 18 Jan  09:34"
​"359997||Sarcry||461892||Iskeleike||[4|-833] in Tallimar||56322||Huntsmen||Fri 19 Jan  00:53"
​"334495||Leviathan Legious||416776||Slate Gate M||[-530|-1731] in Northmarch||334124||Esso||Fri 19 Jan  13:06"
​"357848||Scardan||451648||Norlake||[-54|364] in Norweld||370369||The_Bastard||Sat 20 Jan  09:06"
​"103707||GirlscoutBob (Abandoned)||182855||Golden Pot-o-Sugar||[-539|-854] in Farra Isle||104473||TomBombadil||Sat 20 Jan  09:32"
​"23076||Nikholai||25182||LightCastle||[-186|-412] in Tor Carrock||125725||KingOfDeath||Sun 21 Jan  06:30"
​"335337||Xtopherus (Abandoned)||422312||Concordia||[-63|98] in Middle Kingdom||307689||John the Great||Sun 21 Jan  14:12"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||130058||02. HoneyRose||[66|-839] in Tallimar||290870||Bakêl-nak||Mon 22 Jan  06:26"
​"359771||Eidolain (Abandoned)||454660||Riverdale||[13|-232] in Tor Carrock||365242||jarant||Mon 22 Jan  07:32"
​"328081||Ghallshanna||410000||Vallasdahlen||[190|160] in Middle Kingdom||267146||kok chiew||Mon 22 Jan  17:08"
​"259160||earthmam||322782||tadpole||[314|-1560] in Pawanallpa||261072||Ulysses||Mon 22 Jan  17:49"
​"29349||Barty||59418||Marlburgh||[704|357] in Taomist||368112||Farming Simulator||Tue 23 Jan  04:29"
​"359288||Xaven||448743||Mediolanum||[-362|-52] in Keppen||314161||raleigh||Tue 23 Jan  18:29"
​"237040||Lord Lopan||392551||Keppen Fields||[426|-175] in Lucerna||368112||Farming Simulator||Tue 23 Jan  18:32"
​"370643||Tuk'lok (Abandoned)||470044||Bitch Slap City||[-887|-2513] in Aindara||369422||Hell Bringer||Tue 23 Jan  20:01"
​"328081||Ghallshanna||403632||Vinn'Squire||[192|164] in Middle Kingdom||369941||Humulus Lupulus||Thu 25 Jan  06:27"
​"357399||Chevron||463582||Smihhhhh||[125|274] in Norweld||362818||PhantomKnight||Thu 25 Jan  09:56"
​"334495||Leviathan Legious||416776||Slate Gate M||[-529|-1732] in Northmarch||350083||Teuta||Thu 25 Jan  12:38"
​"267779||robmc (Abandoned)||426107||Eris||[226|-2030] in Newlands||300849||Korlat2||Fri 26 Jan  01:38"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||130058||02. HoneyRose||[67|-838] in Tallimar||290870||Bakêl-nak||Fri 26 Jan  07:28"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||411891||12. NordicRose||[41|704] in Wolgast||366508||Kuldjargh||Sat 27 Jan  00:23"
​"341614||BioShock (Abandoned)||423735||A. RapTure||[-532|-1646] in Huronire||361835||Heavy Foot.||Sat 27 Jan  01:21"
​"86542||snerg||113193||Village of the Bat||[-942|23] in Fremorn||369941||Humulus Lupulus||Sat 27 Jan  14:26"
​"86542||snerg||125700||Village of the Gnat||[-947|28] in Fremorn||369941||Humulus Lupulus||Sat 27 Jan  15:03"
​"371947||Sofia (Abandoned)||470493||Sofa||[-389|-167] in Tor Carrock||314161||raleigh||Sun 28 Jan  10:40"
​"348904||spirosk||447554||Spirosk3||[960|-2951] in Farshards||351774||Sansha||Sun 28 Jan  11:46"
​"124246||Shellaquin (Abandoned)||246360||06. Enchantment||[209|-921] in Tallimar||364410||Eros||Sun 28 Jan  12:27"
​"349737||Krek||435552||Kelgarde||[970|-2779] in Farshards||351774||Sansha||Sun 28 Jan  12:38"
​"354480||mike2||445016||tollbooth||[245|393] in Norweld||236633||Tezran||Sun 28 Jan  13:10"
​"354480||mike2||444246||Dark Forest||[258|393] in Norweld||236633||Tezran||Sun 28 Jan  14:24"
​"351127||Chrysagon||437105||Alesia||[-369|-51] in Keppen||314161||raleigh||Sun 28 Jan  18:49"
​"359186||Ranox||452719||Dunrak||[-110|449] in Norweld||370369||The_Bastard||Sun 28 Jan  19:51"
​"40136||Skalsummer (Abandoned)||321167||Westfield||[177|-781] in Tallimar||371228||Ser Sigis The Dread||Sun 28 Jan  20:42"
​"124246||Shellaquin (Abandoned)||165728||04. MilkChocolate||[19|633] in Wolgast||364410||Eros||Mon 29 Jan  01:12"
​"259556||hillyin||374918||New Nicopolis||[-118|137] in Norweld||358636||LadyAmber||Mon 29 Jan  06:03"
​"354480||mike2||441499||narnia||[256|391] in Norweld||236633||Tezran||Mon 29 Jan  06:31"
​"334495||Leviathan Legious||413187||Stone Gate R T||[-533|-1738] in Northmarch||350083||Teuta||Mon 29 Jan  10:20"
​"371803||Tsole1 (Abandoned)||470273||town||[-402|140] in Meilla||314161||raleigh||Mon 29 Jan  15:13"
​"371532||Fastshot||469833||Nexus||[-391|165] in Meilla||314161||raleigh||Mon 29 Jan  19:13"
​"246114||Fengel||381371||Durango||[5|-67] in Middle Kingdom||202394||DArtagnan||Mon 29 Jan  22:09"
​"371705||Jewelashlynn||470107||Caladriel||[-404|143] in Meilla||314161||raleigh||Tue 30 Jan  00:13"
​"320773||Ichabod||399570||Horatio||[-294|198] in Meilla||355235||Baldor||Tue 30 Jan  02:08"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||411891||12. NordicRose||[43|704] in Wolgast||366508||Kuldjargh||Tue 30 Jan  04:58"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||411891||12. NordicRose||[43|706] in Wolgast||366508||Kuldjargh||Tue 30 Jan  05:02"
​"369565||Helgen||466230||Helgen||[-149|388] in Norweld||314161||raleigh||Tue 30 Jan  05:09"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||411891||12. NordicRose||[41|706] in Wolgast||366508||Kuldjargh||Tue 30 Jan  06:03"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||411891||12. NordicRose||[43|705] in Wolgast||366508||Kuldjargh||Tue 30 Jan  06:04"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||411891||12. NordicRose||[42|704] in Wolgast||366508||Kuldjargh||Tue 30 Jan  06:04"
​"324625||full metal dugger (Abandoned)||418235||sweet dee||[48|-614] in Arran||364814||Highlander||Tue 30 Jan  06:14"
​"115615||Andvari||296637||Ragnarok||[33|519] in Wolgast||364455||The_Spartan||Tue 30 Jan  06:16"
​"372005||fijux||470581||luix||[-201|378] in Norweld||314161||raleigh||Tue 30 Jan  06:17"
​"370451||Tinduviel Eleth (Abandoned)||467919||Nightfall||[248|223] in Middle Kingdom||344003||Eloir||Tue 30 Jan  07:45"
​"184688||Alestrenia||252109||Ceretlan||[-844|595] in Fremorn||364594||Derrickosta||Tue 30 Jan  11:26"
​"351127||Chrysagon||441101||Two Egg||[-370|-49] in Keppen||314161||raleigh||Tue 30 Jan  11:54"
​"98191||Shellarose (Abandoned)||176303||05. VelvetRose||[16|699] in Wolgast||138937||Plurk||Tue 30 Jan  12:58"
​"124246||Shellaquin (Abandoned)||410938||09. Taffy||[29|760] in Wolgast||138937||Plurk||Tue 30 Jan  13:19"
​"373064||Ozymandy (Abandoned)||472293||Psycho Park||[366|227] in Ragallon||89322||Heimdal||Tue 30 Jan  17:01"
​"360643||Casarian||455758||Bruma||[-120|578] in Norweld||357967||dravog||Tue 30 Jan  21:37"
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2018 at 05:30
Day 61. In the 8 days since my last post:
  • RE has lost 2 members and 4 towns, but gained 25k pop, 300k Attack, & 32k Defense
  • Loki has lost 1 member, 5 towns, & 30k pop, and gained 1030k Attack & 100k Defense
  • Iron has lost 1 member, 7 towns, & 7k pop, and gained 223k Attack & 190k Defense
This is another example where there's a huge discrepancy in the change in Magic scores. Over this same time:
  • RE gained 2.0 million Magic
  • Loki gained 9.5 million Magic
  • Iron gained 38k Magic
Wish I understood more of what drove the Magic score....

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Posted By: spektor
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2018 at 23:02
Here is a war stat.

My city of Hillend is just recently back up to producing troops at a decent rate, after having been severely demolished under a siege on December 28th. And I can tell you that it was an extremely slow and lazy rebuild.

In that same time, RE has attempted one or two siege operations (depending if you include Hillend siege "in that same time"), while Iron has gained 7 towns and 450k population (based on Mafro's stats).




Originally posted by Hyde Hyde wrote:


- The first skirmish of Hillend I by RE on Dec 9
- The second siege of Hillend I by RE on Dec 28
- The first besiegement of Rime Berta by Rashidi at Dec 28
- The Battle of Villan by Loki from Jan 18 - 21
- The second siege at Rime Berta by RE + Rashidi at Jan 25


Posted By: DeliciousJosh
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2018 at 23:11
impressive.
also opinionated stats are awesome

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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2018 at 00:22
Fun Fact: The Top 5 least reported defenses are from:
Name Number of Defenses Date of last defense
1.Tuk'Lok 1 December 25
2.Hamsun 3 February 6
3.Wallis 4 February 3
4.Knight of Ancients 8 December 31
5.Agalloch 8 December 24

Great job in your war against Agalloch!


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Posted By: DeliciousJosh
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2018 at 09:29
what war against agalloch?

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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2018 at 15:16
Originally posted by DeliciousJosh DeliciousJosh wrote:

what war against agalloch?

What is your stake in this?


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Posted By: DeliciousJosh
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2018 at 23:14
My stake? I'm just annoyed with this whole framing thing you have going. so I guess it's entertainment value for me to contradict your claims and opinions.

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Posted By: Alone
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2018 at 00:51
I have found this whole read entertaining, well done everyone :)


Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2018 at 04:55
Expect the stats to change significantly next time.

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Posted By: KarL Aegis
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 04:31
Palm. Toast. Us. Doing work. Macro and micro.

Satire.


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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 05:36
Day 71. In the 10 days since my last post:
  • RE has gained 2 members, 14 towns, 220k pop, 708k Attack, & 792k Defense
  • Loki has lost 39 members, 314 towns, & 4.2m pop (most moving to SIN)
  • Iron has gained 4 towns, 30k pop, 1.43m Attack & 450k Defense
Of note, Rashidi has moved from Loki to RE. It remains to be seen whether Loki remains in the fight, or even remains at all.

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Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2018 at 19:56

RE launched another op, landing on 14th 20:18 outside, for the 3rd time, Karl Aegis's Rime Berta (temporarily changed to 'Testements'). Forces were all RE troops, with Rashidi now joining their ranks. Overall, over 900k RE troops were committed to the op.

During the siege, Iron attempted a Sally forth with long range cavalry sent to reinforce the city. The sally was unsuccessful, however it did manage to kill 120k - all those kills were credited to Viper.
 
RE began to recall their op at around 16th 04:00 after strong hits from Iron stalwarts crippled the siege, leaving around 6 cats firing.  A lot of this is down to the great work of our dwarves, Lord Sunshine and King Sigerius killing a combined total of 590k troops (LS-344k, KS-246k).
 
In other events, PK and OOMONKEYO attempted a siege on Humulus Lupulus' Centennial. There were 5 siege camps with no reinforcements, and 3 were managed to be killed by Spektor's elven cavalry before the camps were recalled.
 
I estimate over 3 million troops have now died in the forests outside Rime Berta. Mainly orcs.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 21:31

Guess I'll try to see if we can get this thread alive again

So there have been several developments since the last post, one of them being the successful merge of Hellfire into the Iron Crusade.
 
We then began the first Iron offensive operation against Rashidi's town of Nikos, with the main plan being to execute a siege train on the city. The siege landed 5th March 10:22 on a plains square. Rashidi had carried out a population drop, dropping the city from 26k to 12k for the start of bombardment. The siege train hit and knocked 7k population off the city. Iron troops then left with minimal casualties.
 
Today, RE attempted a siege on bosch, a new member from the Hell merger. RE set up in a building and we were able to respond to the siege quickly and effectively, exploiting the poor timings. The siege army along with on time arrivals was cleared at 16:30 today by Lord Sunshine, 1h30 after the siege landed.


Posted By: spektor
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2018 at 22:39
Originally posted by Hyde Hyde wrote:

Guess I'll try to see if we can get this thread alive again

So there have been several developments since the last post, one of them being the successful merge of Hellfire into the Iron Crusade.
 
We then began the first Iron offensive operation against Rashidi's town of Nikos, with the main plan being to execute a siege train on the city. The siege landed 5th March 10:22 on a plains square. Rashidi had carried out a population drop, dropping the city from 26k to 12k for the start of bombardment. The siege train hit and knocked 7k population off the city. Iron troops then left with minimal casualties.
 
Today, RE attempted a siege on bosch, a new member from the Hell merger. RE set up in a building and we were able to respond to the siege quickly and effectively, exploiting the poor timings. The siege army along with on time arrivals was cleared at 16:30 today by Lord Sunshine, 1h30 after the siege landed.


Allow me to correct my compatriot. The siege, which landed on 14:59:54, along with the on-time RE arrivals, was finally destroyed at 15:01:54, by well-timed Iron attacking infantry.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 00:54
On the 28th of March, Iron landed a siege on Rashidi's cities in Aindara that kickstarted a week long assault, that resulted in the first razes of the RE-Iron war and Rashidi being uprooted.

It started on 28th 10:11, with myself and Spektor landing a double siege on Zwei, with a siege train planned to be executed as soon as bombardment began. Rashidi reacted harshly to this, using his entire offensive arsenal of 230k fangs and 20k cavalry to break my siege and later hit the blockade (which was established apon bombardment). Once the siege train hit, it was 32 pop off the raze target. This proved that Rashidi's reaction was correct in breaking my siege, as my siege's bombardment would have pushed it over raze pop.

As some RE swiftsteeds started to arrive at Spektor's remaining siege on 29th 00:38, and we saw more RE cavalry inbound, combined
With Rashidi's effective building had easily kept the city away from raze pop - the recall was ordered.

However, the blockade remained with the city around 1,600 pop. We knew that another siege train would toast the city with it being so small, with that factor paired with RE cavalry in motion, the decision was made to turn the armies back around as soon as they returned home.

So on the 31st of March 4:27 Spektor landed another siege on Zwei with a second landing 17:40. As bombardments started, Rashidi made excellent use of a vault to keep building through each bombardment. As he dragged the siege out, we started to get hit by RE t1 cav but continued and held strong. A couple of hours before the end, we got hit with the first t2 cav army of the siege - jaxie's 21k knights. Then finally, after a 44h siege on April 2nd 00:55 ...

Zwei, belonging to Rashidi which was located at -693|-2366 has been razed by Spektor.

But during the Zwei siege we took full opportunity of the confusion and pressure and launched against a second city with a quad siege. So on 1st of April 21:28, I landed 3 sieges and King Sigerius landed 2 around Fermented Elf Wine. This siege took 19h and on April 2nd 16:39...

Fermented Elf Wine, belonging to Rashidi which was located at -704|-2361 has been captured by Hyde. [Now residing as Reclaimed Fine Elven Wine]

At this point Rashidi had begun a full evacuation into Westmarch. So we repeated the quad siege with Spektor's armies taking 18h, and on April 4th 21:31...

Nikos, belonging to Rashidi which was located at -699|-2365 has been razed by Spektor.

A huge commendation to Rashidi for the fight he was able to put up on Zwei and on his blockade breaking to evacuate from Aindara


Posted By: Ruarc
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 09:19
Thanks for posting that update. I've a couple of questions:
 
You probably can't say, but how many siege engines did you use to drop the population of Rashidi's town of Nikos by 7,000? Lots is my initial guess.
 
We haven't heard much of diplo and magic attacks during the war. Rashidi's towns are so close to IRON's that I'd have thought that both would have been something to remark upon.

What's the current score in terms of razes/captures? By my read of the thread much of the fighting has involved failed sieges on both sides, and a fair amount of cities exoing. I can only see 4 successful sieges from IRON (the ones you just mentioned, plus one on Lotherbac of Loki), and 4 successful sieges from RE/Loki (the ones on Villan). Is that accurate, or are there more?
 
How did the war start? The only thing I can find on the start of the war is a post from the Telegraph saying that RE hadn't provided a reason for the war. Similarly, how will this war end? The war's been going on for around four months now, which I suppose isn't terribly long but is a bit of time. Now that Rashidi is in retreat from Aindara that strikes me (in the absence of any knowledge as to the goals of either side) as a clear victory for IRON.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 11:02
Thanks for taking an interest Ruarc!

Nikos' pop upon bombardment was 5,005, meaning a raze pop of 1,251. We set up 5 siege camps on the city each with max cats firing on each camp (30). So each hour 150 were volleying at the city.

And yes for diplo and magic attacks. We had our thief armies constantly running back and forth, draining sieged cities of res. We did use magic in very siege. After every bombardment - starting late Zwei siege - we'd use a "Destorys a portion of res in the city" spell, usually food or clay. Blights like this bypass the vaults protection, which is what eventually lead to the fall of many of his cities.

Between the Iron/ RE war the score is 3 - 0. RE has attempted 5 major sieges that have all been broken. Iron is yet to have a siege operation broken by RE. After Loki merged into SIN, we contacted leadership they said they would not pursue any ex-Hell city inside Aindara, and there has been no action since.

I guess the declaration of war can be boiled down to a "public relations issue". Iron was first built up of ex-TUF, setting up in Aindara near Ppjotr. PK felt his land claim was threatened (as he said... somewhere i forget) as TUF had a anti-LC policy that Iron no longer uphold. PK then declared war without consulting the whole alliance.

This war will end in Iron's favour. RE couldn't wipe us out of Aindara when we were 3 x smaller than them, they wont be able to do it now we are a rank or two higher than them. I guess how long it takes is up to RE.

If any RE member wishes to dicuss individual surrender terms with protection from RE, Iron is open to this idea. We will not contact you with surrender terms unless you contact us.

Message either myself, Spektor, Agalloch or Karl Aegis if you are in RE and wish to do so.


Posted By: SPQR
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 11:21
Hail,

RE recalls breaking 5 attempts on rashidi by iron so the notion that we have not broken anything is funny at best, Iron lost 5 sieges and over 1 million troops on plains attacking our former isolated player in aindara who has since relocated closer to RE's base.

RE also razed one SPARTAN SITH cities in coanhara who was conveniently kicked before the raze (lol) a forced exodus on Tank towns of bardstown (in aindara). RE to date was and only has been the Alliance on the offensive.

I like how Iron likes to update stats only when it suits them , never the part where 1 player owned iron 5 times over with límited roman cavalry aid that was able to arrive on time

And RE will not surrender we have no reason this is just the beginning lol


Posted By: Ruarc
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 12:14
Appreciate the prompt replies!
 
Just to clarify my question on the siege of Rashidi's town of Nikos - I'm curious how many siege engines were involved in the siege train part of the operation. You said earlier last month that,
 
Quote We then began the first Iron offensive operation against Rashidi's town of Nikos, with the main plan being to execute a siege train on the city. The siege landed 5th March 10:22 on a plains square. Rashidi had carried out a population drop, dropping the city from 26k to 12k for the start of bombardment. The siege train hit and knocked 7k population off the city. Iron troops then left with minimal casualties.

It's the bit in bold that has me curious. My understanding of a siege train is that you directly attack a city with siege engines. Each siege engine fires once at the city (I'm unclear how accurate it is, but I have a vague recollection that most will miss), dropping the population without having to set up 12 hours beforehand. Then the siege engines return (or die, depending on the outcome of the attack). So to drop it by 7k you'd presumably need at least 20 hits (400 pop drop from 20 to 19 * 20 = 8k), and probably much more given that Rashidi almost certainly dropped the top few levels off every building during his pop drop.
 
What I don't understand though is if Rashidi dropped the city from 26k to 12k, and then the siege train dropped it from 12k to 5k, why did you only start the siege at 5k? If you had landed the siege first at 12k, and then used the siege engines to drop it to 5k, you'd only be 2k pop off razing the city.

Quote I like how Iron likes to update stats only when it suits them , never the part where 1 player owned iron 5 times over with límited roman cavalry aid that was able to arrive on time  
 
I don't know about anybody else, but I'd love to see more updates from people involved in both sides of the war. As you say, it seems clear that much of the action to date hasn't really been the result of successful sieges but rather combat between troops with neither side - until very recently - seeming to have any luck in forcing a siege through to a successful conclusion. 
 
We're four months into a war between two military alliances which have followed settlement policies of clustering their towns and are within relatively easy reach of each other. I think SPQR (PK?) has a point in that this is really just the end of the initial skirmishing phase of the war where outlying cities are forced back to the safety of their respective homelands. However, does either side have the capability to force the issue with successful sieges in Westmarch (for IRON) or Aindara (for RE)? That's really why the siege train operation is so important, isn't it? There's a better chance of a siege force holding for 12 hours than for a few days. A properly timed clearing and siege engine force could mean a successful raze which is why the specifics of the siege train operation employed against Rashidi's city of Nikos are so interesting.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 12:43
Ruarc - I'm sorry i thought you were referring to the successful siege on Nikos a few days ago, which is where the 5k pop figure came from.

For the first attempt, we used around 600 - 650 cats for the train with varying degrees of accuracy - i had some that hit 3, some that hit 10. The city bombardment started at 12k, the siege train hit a few minutes later, dropped the city to 5k pop, and you were correct, we were 2k off raze pop. We had set all troops to occupy for 14 hours as we didnt want to let any RE cav hit us on our first attempt at this. No RE troops hit the sieges.

The regret we had here was not using more cats - we played it too safe as we didnt want to risk Rashidi reinforcing and smashing the clearing cav and all our engines.

I do try to update when somethig major happens such as sieges and siege breaks but i dont really cover small things like player movements and exodus. As for PK and his comments, i will post a response to him shortly with the totals of losses on each side.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 13:52
Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

RE recalls breaking 5 attempts on rashidi by iron so the notion that we have not broken anything is funny at best
,

RE hasn't broken a single siege operation. It was Rashidi who broke a siege on Zwei. As for "5" - you're pulling numbers out of no where. Recalls were because of timing boundaries Iron has set, not because of troops hitting the square. Here is a list of all siege operations against rashidi:

- Nikos (1 siege camp and train, recalled, no RE troops hit)
- Armless (1 siege camp and train, recalled, no RE troops hit)
- Zwei (2 siege camps and train, one broken other recalled)
- Zwei again (2 siege camps, both hit by RE cav but successful)
- Fermented (5 siege camps, no RE troops hit, successful)
- Nikos again (5 siege camps, no RE troops hit, successful)

So, i have no clue where you pulled 5 from. Although, one of the camps on Zwei second time was damaged heavily a few hours before raze but wasnt recalled untill after the raze. You can count that one if you desperately want to.

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

Iron lost 5 sieges and over 1 million troops on plains


Again, only 1 or 2 siege armies were lost. And 1 million troops is incorrect. The real figure is around 950k Iron troops and 350k RE troops. Here's some stats for you:
- Rashidi killed 402k troops with his 230k fangs.
- RE T1 cav killed 348k with 141k.
- RE T2 cav killed 200k with 30k.

Are theses losses high? Yes. But we removed a large threat that had been launching sieges 100 squares away from us. The forced exo means that he will take 1-2 months rebuilding to get back to where he was. Iron doesn't regret the loses.

I am unsure how RE can laugh at us losing 950k troops for 3 sucessful sieges, when RE and Rashidi have lost millions trying to raze Karl Aegis or Spektor.

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

We also razed one SPARTAN SITH cities in coanhara who was conveniently kicked before the raze (lol) a forced exodus on Tank towns of bardstown (in aindara).


SPARTAN SITH hadn't been online around the time of the siege being launched or landing, so I had a discussion with him when he was online. We both agreed that it would be best for him to part with Iron. Being in Iron requires all members to be active and play active roles, which SPARTAN couldnt afford to do. SPARTAN left, was not kicked, and we both are on good terms with each other. Ask him if you wish. As for bardstown, you are correct i forgot about that one.

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

RE to date was and only has been the Alliance on the offensive.


We just executed a successful offensive and will continue to. Not sure how RE is the only alliance on the offensive.

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

And RE will not surrender we have no reason this is just the beginning lol


You've spewed this so many times now, "Just the beginning". In 4 months we've started to burn cities and have grown larger than RE, when are you going to 'start'?

Hopefully your next offensive will be like your last and be in 1min


Posted By: SPQR
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 14:37
Originally posted by Ruarc Ruarc wrote:

Appreciate the prompt replies!
 
Just to clarify my question on the siege of Rashidi's town of Nikos - I'm curious how many siege engines were involved in the siege train part of the operation. You said earlier last month that,
 
Quote We then began the first Iron offensive operation against Rashidi's town of Nikos, with the main plan being to execute a siege train on the city. The siege landed 5th March 10:22 on a plains square. Rashidi had carried out a population drop, dropping the city from 26k to 12k for the start of bombardment. The siege train hit and knocked 7k population off the city. Iron troops then left with minimal casualties.

It's the bit in bold that has me curious. My understanding of a siege train is that you directly attack a city with siege engines. Each siege engine fires once at the city (I'm unclear how accurate it is, but I have a vague recollection that most will miss), dropping the population without having to set up 12 hours beforehand. Then the siege engines return (or die, depending on the outcome of the attack). So to drop it by 7k you'd presumably need at least 20 hits (400 pop drop from 20 to 19 * 20 = 8k), and probably much more given that Rashidi almost certainly dropped the top few levels off every building during his pop drop.
 
What I don't understand though is if Rashidi dropped the city from 26k to 12k, and then the siege train dropped it from 12k to 5k, why did you only start the siege at 5k? If you had landed the siege first at 12k, and then used the siege engines to drop it to 5k, you'd only be 2k pop off razing the city.

Quote I like how Iron likes to update stats only when it suits them , never the part where 1 player owned iron 5 times over with límited roman cavalry aid that was able to arrive on time  
 
I don't know about anybody else, but I'd love to see more updates from people involved in both sides of the war. As you say, it seems clear that much of the action to date hasn't really been the result of successful sieges but rather combat between troops with neither side - until very recently - seeming to have any luck in forcing a siege through to a successful conclusion. 
 
We're four months into a war between two military alliances which have followed settlement policies of clustering their towns and are within relatively easy reach of each other. I think SPQR (PK?) has a point in that this is really just the end of the initial skirmishing phase of the war where outlying cities are forced back to the safety of their respective homelands. However, does either side have the capability to force the issue with successful sieges in Westmarch (for IRON) or Aindara (for RE)? That's really why the siege train operation is so important, isn't it? There's a better chance of a siege force holding for 12 hours than for a few days. A properly timed clearing and siege engine force could mean a successful raze which is why the specifics of the siege train operation employed against Rashidi's city of Nikos are so interesting.
 
SPQR is an official RE account made to represent the alliance in the forums not for personal use such as trolling.   Rashidi reduced the Populations of his own town from 12k to 5k in order to reduce the raze population target to stretch out the siege and that tactic allowed him to kill multiple Iron sieges that were launched against him.  Iron had such a hard time targeting an isolated member and think they can demand a surrender from RE when they have only targeted isolated towns within the roman empire during the whole war including harassing and targeting new players that were in Elgea during the early stages of the war.
 
Many people think the reduction in population and members is a sign that Rome is loosing and that is utter gossip, A lot of members who left were asked to leave and some were kicked out of the alliance as we would rather be a small active group rather than keep large inactive or many accounts in the alliance to give the false illusion of power.   And also usually we don`t respond to Irons propaganda because we know what`s going on and only our allies and parties in respect really need any information regarding the war.
 
We also want to make it clear no other parties are to get involved any 3rd parties who wishes to involve itself in Rome`s war will face the CNBL Clap 


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 15:07
Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

Rashidi reduced the Populations of his own town from 12k to 5k

No, at Nikos he reduced it from 24k to 12k. The siege train reduced it from 12k to 5k.

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

that tactic allowed him to kill multiple Iron sieges that were launched against him.
 
Incorrect, Rashidi killed one Iron siege, as I listed in my post above.

Fact check or provide evidence before you post please.


Posted By: SPQR
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 15:44
Originally posted by Hyde Hyde wrote:

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

Rashidi reduced the Populations of his own town from 12k to 5k

No, at Nikos he reduced it from 24k to 12k. The siege train reduced it from 12k to 5k.

Originally posted by SPQR SPQR wrote:

that tactic allowed him to kill multiple Iron sieges that were launched against him.
 
Incorrect, Rashidi killed one Iron siege, as I listed in my post above.

Fact check or provide evidence before you post please.
 
Oh, So forced recalls are not part of the war score board? Hilarious LOLLOL I guess you guys only count it in when it suits you guys.  Any further questions regarding the war can go to Jaxie Or Patience king Smile we have better things to do than go on the forums to present an illusion.


Posted By: Ruarc
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 16:06
Thanks for clarifying that siege train stuff Hyde. An expensive, but interesting and clearly successful tactic to taking a city down. 
 
Looking forward to seeing how the war develops.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 16:40
You recalled your sieges because of them getting smashed by stalwarts. Ours were recalled because of timing restrictions and returned wih no casulties. Bit of a difference.

If you just want everything stripped down, here it is

Iron has attempted 6 siege ops on 4 RE towns: Nikos (recalled), Armless (recalled), Zwei (recalled), Zwei again (sucessful), Fermented (sucessful), Nikos again (successful)
Razed/Captured 3

RE has attempted 6 sieges on 3 Iron towns: Hillend (recalled) Hillend again (killed during the storm), Rime berta (recalled) Rime berta again (recalled), Rime berta again (recalled), Feltree (broken)
Razed/Captured 0

Also 2 images, one taken a few days after war (Red dot was the ex Rashidi cluster - i dont have a screenshot) and one taken just now to show the changes in land and towns. Sorry for the poor quality.





Posted By: Rashidi
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2018 at 18:23
Originally posted by Hyde Hyde wrote:

On the 28th of March, Iron landed a siege on Rashidi's cities in Aindara that kickstarted a week long assault, that resulted in the first razes of the RE-Iron war and Rashidi being uprooted.

It started on 28th 10:11, with myself and Spektor landing a double siege on Zwei, with a siege train planned to be executed as soon as bombardment began. Rashidi reacted harshly to this, using his entire offensive arsenal of 230k fangs and 20k cavalry to break my siege and later hit the blockade (which was established apon bombardment). Once the siege train hit, it was 32 pop off the raze target. This proved that Rashidi's reaction was correct in breaking my siege, as my siege's bombardment would have pushed it over raze pop.

As some RE swiftsteeds started to arrive at Spektor's remaining siege on 29th 00:38, and we saw more RE cavalry inbound, combined
With Rashidi's effective building had easily kept the city away from raze pop - the recall was ordered.

However, the blockade remained with the city around 1,600 pop. We knew that another siege train would toast the city with it being so small, with that factor paired with RE cavalry in motion, the decision was made to turn the armies back around as soon as they returned home.

So on the 31st of March 4:27 Spektor landed another siege on Zwei with a second landing 17:40. As bombardments started, Rashidi made excellent use of a vault to keep building through each bombardment. As he dragged the siege out, we started to get hit by RE t1 cav but continued and held strong. A couple of hours before the end, we got hit with the first t2 cav army of the siege - jaxie's 21k knights. Then finally, after a 44h siege on April 2nd 00:55 ...

Zwei, belonging to Rashidi which was located at -693|-2366 has been razed by Spektor.

But during the Zwei siege we took full opportunity of the confusion and pressure and launched against a second city with a quad siege. So on 1st of April 21:28, I landed 3 sieges and King Sigerius landed 2 around Fermented Elf Wine. This siege took 19h and on April 2nd 16:39...

Fermented Elf Wine, belonging to Rashidi which was located at -704|-2361 has been captured by Hyde. [Now residing as Reclaimed Fine Elven Wine]

At this point Rashidi had begun a full evacuation into Westmarch. So we repeated the quad siege with Spektor's armies taking 18h, and on April 4th 21:31...

Nikos, belonging to Rashidi which was located at -699|-2365 has been razed by Spektor.

A huge commendation to Rashidi for the fight he was able to put up on Zwei and on his blockade breaking to evacuate from Aindara

Congratulations to IRON for a well executed operation and hard fought victory.  This was a long time coming, and sparring with IRON has been the most fun I've had in this game for a very long time!

Thanks to the rest of RE, whose support allowed me to hold them off for this long.

Now onto the next phase of this war :)


Posted By: OssianII
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2018 at 11:18
Good read. Well done both sides. I picked up some new tactics there. Smile

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Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 07 May 2018 at 20:46
RE have been desperately trying to remove a few Iron towns in RE's land claim 

Travis and Horizontal Bob tried to raze Humulus Lupulus' Centennial on the 28th of April, which was quickly killed by Spektor's and Ppjotr's T1 cavalry. That was the second time that Centennial has been under siege, with PK and OOMONKEYO trying previously on the 14th of February. 

Then on the 29th, jaxie landed a double siege on Armour's Madyaas, which was followed nine hours later by PK landing two more sieges and Empress Zenobia landing another two sieges. Armour joined Iron after accidentally settling in RE's land claim. RE had sent attacks and blockades to the city before attempting communication with Armour, so Iron offered to protect him against RE and accepted him into our ranks. Due to Iron's fast reactions not one siege made it past its 3rd bombardment, with some not even making it to bombardment. 

Then on the 6th of May, spiceandtoby felt he could succeed where PK, OOMONKEYO, Travis and Horizontal Bob had failed, by setting up a new siege on Centennial. It was killed by William the same day.


Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 01:12
On May 10th, Iron had a siege due to land on one of RE's leaders, jaxie. The city was Bulfontein and was surrounded by large hills.

But jaxie exo'd away from the siege 4 hours before it landed.

Bulfontein was moved only a short distance away to a more defensible position on a small forest surrounded by plains, and Iron reinforcements left with only 3k RE sentinels touching the siege square.

It seems RE leadership is running from the firing line. What ever happened to the generals leading from the front, setting the example?

Also what happened to RE being "an alliance on the offensive", or did you class the farce at Armour/Humulus as one?


Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 03:15
How many times have your own leaders removed cities from bad positions due to incoming sieges?

There is no particular leadership virtue that requires wasting alliance troops on unfavorable battles. A badly positioned city can be fixed with a simple exodus. A refusal to do that is stubbornness, not leadership. The armies of an alliance are far more valuable than any particular city; cities in this game are easily rebuilt or replaced.

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Posted By: Hyde
Date Posted: 13 May 2018 at 10:25
In this war no member of Iron leadership have moved a city due to an incoming siege. The only exodus was by Tank and that was his personal decision due to him being worn from the previous war he faced in Pawa, which we respected.

If you are in a leadership position of a war alliance it is highly likely you will be targeted, simply because there is more glory from razing a leader. I believe a good leader should be ready for that, placing cities accordingly. They could choose non plains terrain neighbouring a town, showing a confident challenge of "Come siege me". The other angle is to have all plains surrounded to get rid of any chance of a siege lasting, showing more of a "I'm untouchable" attitude.

Leadership defending against a siege proves their own skill, you could say legitimising their right to lead a military alliance.

That is why I felt the Bulfontein exodus to be a little cheap. It's true that there would have been high casulties but in a siege there is an exchange of troops from both sides, with there being more factors than just terrain deciding which side suffers the worst.

As for armies being worth more than cities, it is something I am on the fence about. Again, there are too many factors and it would vary case by case.



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