Sindicate v. Assorted Elgea based Alliances
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Topic: Sindicate v. Assorted Elgea based Alliances
Posted By: Sauron
Subject: Sindicate v. Assorted Elgea based Alliances
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 04:02
As of 26 of November this is a rough estimate of the positioning of cities/forces from both sides, with SIN/300/TA2IN/LOKI being green, and AESIR/BANE/ECROW/EE/HELL/MCROW/STORM/SV/TEA/TROUT/UNBOW/VALOR/WOT being red. Does not include possible sympathizers such as IRON/TCOL .etc
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2017 at 06:48
So THAT's who is fighting in this big war I occasionally hear about. Thanks!
As a contribution to see how things play out, here are the key stats at the moment on those alliances listed above (if others join, I'm happy to add them as well). It will be interesting what the map and stats look like once the dust settles....
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
AESIR |
11,860,661 |
80 |
659 |
6,777 |
UNBOW |
8,195,613 |
54 |
477 |
6,507 |
EE |
7,795,159 |
60 |
444 |
4,877 |
MCROW |
6,378,971 |
58 |
417 |
4,460 |
STORM |
5,081,590 |
30 |
272 |
3,136 |
HELL |
3,051,553 |
31 |
195 |
2,056 |
ECROW |
2,306,781 |
16 |
128 |
1,441 |
TEA |
751,038 |
8 |
55 |
798 |
BANE |
1,611,454 |
14 |
96 |
743 |
TROUT |
945,969 |
10 |
66 |
572 |
VALOR |
226,869 |
23 |
68 |
137 |
SV |
21,000 |
3 |
10 |
26 |
WOT |
12,227 |
2 |
6 |
6 |
|
48,238,885 |
389 |
2,893 |
31,536 |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
4,807,099 |
53 |
362 |
3,285 |
SIN |
2,326,022 |
21 |
166 |
2,608 |
TA2IN |
1,551,989 |
16 |
129 |
2,139 |
300 |
968,737 |
7 |
63 |
1,187 |
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9,653,847 |
97 |
720 |
9,219 |
Have fun storming the castle!
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 07:31
I was curious how much things could change in 48 hours...here's what the data says, broken down by Current Stats, Numeric Delta, and Percentage Delta.
Current Stats
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
11,841,343 |
80 |
659 |
6,782 |
Unbow |
8,204,552 |
54 |
478 |
6,517 |
EE |
7,783,154 |
60 |
442 |
4,888 |
mCrow |
6,327,072 |
57 |
412 |
4,500 |
Storm |
5,065,076 |
30 |
271 |
3,136 |
Hell |
3,056,814 |
31 |
196 |
2,080 |
eCrow |
2,307,735 |
16 |
128 |
1,441 |
TEA |
751,714 |
8 |
55 |
798 |
Bane |
1,612,414 |
14 |
96 |
743 |
TROUT |
946,240 |
10 |
66 |
584 |
Valor |
228,331 |
22 |
67 |
137 |
SV |
21,024 |
3 |
10 |
26 |
WOT |
12,227 |
2 |
6 |
6 |
|
48,157,696 |
387 |
2,886 |
31,638 |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
4,798,687 |
50 |
355 |
3,299 |
SIN |
2,323,936 |
21 |
166 |
2,608 |
TA2IN |
1,490,000 |
16 |
124 |
2,038 |
300 |
969,880 |
7 |
63 |
1,201 |
|
9,582,503 |
94 |
708 |
9,146 |
Numeric Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
-19,318 |
0 |
0 |
5 |
Unbow |
8,939 |
0 |
1 |
10 |
EE |
-12,005 |
0 |
-2 |
11 |
mCrow |
-51,899 |
-1 |
-5 |
40 |
Storm |
-16,514 |
0 |
-1 |
0 |
Hell |
5,261 |
0 |
1 |
24 |
eCrow |
954 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
TEA |
676 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Bane |
960 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
TROUT |
271 |
0 |
0 |
12 |
Valor |
1,462 |
-1 |
-1 |
0 |
SV |
24 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
WOT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
-81,189 |
-2 |
-7 |
102 |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
-8,412 |
-3 |
-7 |
14 |
SIN |
-2,086 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
TA2IN |
-61,989 |
0 |
-5 |
-101 |
300 |
1,143 |
0 |
0 |
14 |
|
-71,344 |
-3 |
-12 |
-73 |
Percentage Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Unbow |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
EE |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
mCrow |
-1% |
-2% |
-1% |
1% |
Storm |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Hell |
0% |
0% |
1% |
1% |
eCrow |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TEA |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Bane |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TROUT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
2% |
Valor |
1% |
-4% |
-1% |
0% |
SV |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
WOT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
|
0% |
0% |
-1% |
0% |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
0% |
-6% |
-2% |
0% |
SIN |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TA2IN |
-4% |
0% |
-4% |
-5% |
300 |
0% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
|
-1% |
-3% |
-2% |
-1% |
This post is dedicated to all tha peoples what be officin' out there, reconcilin', copy-filin', spreadsheet-balancizin'… all that sh*t. Peace to all y'all.
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Posted By: Sauron
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 07:59
Cool, losses were probably due to the recent Unbow campaign in the southwest. Would be interesting to see the change in attack and defense stats of the alliances, but no doubt those would be inflated due to NPC and faction attacks.
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 16:50
Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 16:51
A slightly different view - Sin and confeds (red); Aesir and confeds (green). Not all (on either side) are involved but at least this can be objectively replicated. Taken fron today's town file so still includes some Ta2in towns razed earlier today.
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 18:00
Aesir should win decisively, then. Wars in Illyriad are purely a function of population. That's because population is a good proxy for army size. We all know that the biggest armies win Illyriad wars. Peripheral factors like determination, martial prowess, organization, camaraderie, ferocity are really just myths. MMO urban legends foisted by delusional bloggers on a gullible muggle community. Right?
I mean really, can anyone name an Illyriad war in which a much smaller alliance with significantly fewer troops defeated a much larger alliance with bigger armies?
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 19:30
I'm not quite ready to accept your surrender yet, Ten. You need to discount the totals for inactives which your people believe are nearly all of us and allow for gold farms outside the alliances and the importation of prestige from the real world for sale. There are also gold farms hidden in each others alliances - so the sindicate may well be fuelled by quiet membership in our allies alliances. We're looking for them but witch-hunting does not sit well on the goodie's shoulders. However I do agree that genuine popultion is a very good proxy for army size and this war is on a big enough scale for analysts to work out who has gold hidden where.
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 19:33
Afterthought: Here's an example http://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Player/Growth/318587" rel="nofollow - https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/Player/Growth/318587
6bn gold in over the last two months funds a lot of troops
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2017 at 23:38
Hucbold wrote:
I'm not quite ready to accept your surrender yet, Ten. You need to discount the totals for inactives which your people believe are nearly all of us and allow for gold farms outside the alliances and the importation of prestige from the real world for sale. There are also gold farms hidden in each others alliances - so the sindicate may well be fuelled by quiet membership in our allies alliances. We're looking for them but witch-hunting does not sit well on the goodie's shoulders. However I do agree that genuine popultion is a very good proxy for army size and this war is on a big enough scale for analysts to work out who has gold hidden where. |
Hucbold, you can continue to bet on gold, permasats, population, roster bulk. I will continue to place my bet on determination, martial prowess, organization, camaraderie, ferocity. Maps and charts don't faze me. It is always my assumption that my opponents have an infinite gold treasury and infinite supplies. Wealth didn't save SHARK, VIC, Unbow in Newlands. Wealth didn't save vCrow in Farshards. Wealth didn't save EE in Gremont. Wealth will not save you now.
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Posted By: Tink XX
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2017 at 05:42
Hucbold wrote:
I'm not quite ready to accept your surrender yet, Ten. |
Careful with that ego balloon!
Hucbold wrote:
You need to discount the totals for inactives which your people believe are nearly all of us and allow for gold farms outside the alliances and the importation of prestige from the real world for sale. |
Every alliance we have fought has tried to show how they really are the disadvantaged ones, and padded some imaginary advantages on us. We attacked SHARK too soon. We dared to attack vCrow's Farshards citadel after the tourney, when they weren't at their absolute maximum for troops. Now you're next in line, padding the east Elgean end of the map with some confed members that aren't really taking part in the war, and padding our alliances with imaginary accounts that you're witch-hunting.
Sorry, nope! Your mega-confed is fighting a handful of SINdicate outposts that are 2000 squares or more away from the mother ship. Now that you're starting to gain an upper hand on one edge of the map, go ahead and inflate your opponents, to make yourself look a little more... ahem... victorious.
That said, I am glad you are having fun! It shows through all the gloating talk about the razes on the forums and GC. Because admit it - you actually take pleasure in fighting us
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2017 at 21:30
Tink XX wrote:
Hucbold wrote:
I'm not quite ready to accept your surrender yet, Ten. |
Careful with that ego balloon!
Hucbold wrote:
You need to discount the totals for inactives which your people believe are nearly all of us and allow for gold farms outside the alliances and the importation of prestige from the real world for sale. |
Every alliance we have fought has tried to show how they really are the disadvantaged ones, and padded some imaginary advantages on us. We attacked SHARK too soon. We dared to attack vCrow's Farshards citadel after the tourney, when they weren't at their absolute maximum for troops. Now you're next in line, padding the east Elgean end of the map with some confed members that aren't really taking part in the war, and padding our alliances with imaginary accounts that you're witch-hunting.
Sorry, nope! Your mega-confed is fighting a handful of SINdicate outposts that are 2000 squares or more away from the mother ship. Now that you're starting to gain an upper hand on one edge of the map, go ahead and inflate your opponents, to make yourself look a little more... ahem... victorious.
That said, I am glad you are having fun! It shows through all the gloating talk about the razes on the forums and GC. Because admit it - you actually take pleasure in fighting us
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Wow. You really are paranoid.
My point was that the imbalance is not quite as big as it appears for the reasons I stated. I'm not actually enjoying the war - but I did enjoy the siege on Gragnog because it shouldn't have worked and quirks of fate tickle my sense of humour. That siege should not have lasted an hour.
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Posted By: Tink XX
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2017 at 22:22
Hucbold wrote:
Wow. You really are paranoid. |
Are you a qualified medical professional or an acquaintance of Sigmund Freud or something?
You've just casually added what looks roughly like 1/5th of Elgean cities to the "red side" of the map claiming that it would make things look a little more even, and now you accuse me of being paranoid for pointing that out!
I don't even...
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2017 at 23:36
I'm trying to figure out why Larn is all red, because last I checked my alliance was not at war. Please make sure you provide accuracy in your propaganda.
-Drax The Destroyer
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 01:18
Read the description
Sin + confeds
Aesir + confeds
NOT ALL ARE INVOLVED
clearly stated
... and in fact others not confederated with either side might be involved.
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Posted By: The Reaper
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 01:29
Oh, I can read. And indeed I read your comment of not all involved. Still. Keep us out of your proganda, it's not appreciated. The individual alliances duking it out are all that needs to be shown here. Implicating other alliances is just kicking hornets nests. End of story.
-Drax The Destroyer
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Posted By: Bartleby
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 01:44
Ten Kulch wrote:
I will continue to place my bet |
Where can we place our bets? I've got some cattle to wager!
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Posted By: Tink XX
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 05:46
Hucbold wrote:
Not all (on either side) are involved but at least this can be objectively replicated. |
So what was wrong with Sauron's map? You can objectively replicate his map! He plainly took a snapshot of all the alliances that are currently at war, and that picture shows SINdicate being vastly outnumbered in Elgea.
Sorry that I'm not buying your "objectivity". Kinda hard to, when it's coming from the person who resorts to name-calling and personal attacks at every turn. Perhaps your intent was not to embellish, but it resulted in a pretty significant distortion of the war map. A picture is worth a thousand words, disclaimers are just a fine print underneath it.
When you consider only the alliances that are actually doing something the map becomes smaller on both sides. Quite a few of Loki members in Elgea are brand new players, and aren't ready to participate in war. A few of the alliances that are formally at war are being hardly active. If you pare this map down to only active players who engage in meaningful military action, it will shrink on your confed's side considerably.
Still your confed's advantage in Elgea is quite clear. More players, more cities, more resources. Will it help you? Well, clearly I've made my bets. Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.
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Posted By: Tink XX
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 05:48
Bartleby wrote:
Where can we place our bets? I've got some cattle to wager! |
Bart, the bets in this game are cities and armies. You place them on the map where you see fit.
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Posted By: viperone
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 09:02
As a bystander to the party, so to speak it always slays me when one side accuses the other of name calling and personal attacks. Name calling and personal attacks are a two way street with both sides driving on the same street. The don't do as I do, but do as I say philosphy, only holds hot air. GC trolling is part of every war in Illyriad and will continue to be so. To quote "I always tell the truth, even when I lie" end quote. I do think both sides are having a bit of pixel fun. Carry on but don't expect everyone to believe the hype.
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Posted By: Snagglepuss
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 10:44
Well you're not a bystander anymore Viper :)
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Posted By: Dessembrae
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2017 at 14:14
Snagglepuss wrote:
Well you're not a bystander anymore Viper :) |
Didn't realize you were in charge of the Hello Kitty organisation, we ll make sure to contact you when we need our litter box cleaned.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2017 at 05:10
Here's how things have changed after six days, broken down by Current Stats, Numeric Delta, and Percentage Delta. All deltas are comparisons against the stats posted initially. If any alliances have joined or left the war, please let me know and I'll update accordingly.
Current Stats
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
11,761,347 |
79 |
653 |
6,752 |
Unbow |
8,215,213 |
54 |
480 |
6,537 |
EE |
7,806,302 |
62 |
448 |
4,919 |
mCrow |
6,297,821 |
57 |
409 |
4,467 |
Storm |
5,067,519 |
30 |
271 |
3,136 |
Hell |
3,066,238 |
30 |
194 |
2,090 |
eCrow |
2,290,295 |
15 |
126 |
1,429 |
TEA |
884,694 |
9 |
65 |
869 |
Bane |
1,615,200 |
14 |
96 |
744 |
TROUT |
730,194 |
9 |
54 |
443 |
Valor |
229,422 |
21 |
65 |
146 |
SV |
21,024 |
3 |
10 |
26 |
WOT |
2,316 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
|
47,987,585 |
384 |
2,873 |
31,560 |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
4,595,811 |
47 |
338 |
3,123 |
SIN |
2,324,221 |
21 |
165 |
2,603 |
TA2IN |
1,475,580 |
16 |
124 |
2,012 |
300 |
974,766 |
7 |
63 |
1,223 |
|
9,370,378 |
91 |
690 |
8,961 |
Numeric Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
-99,314 |
-1 |
-6 |
-25 |
Unbow |
19,600 |
0 |
3 |
30 |
EE |
11,143 |
2 |
4 |
42 |
mCrow |
-81,150 |
-1 |
-8 |
7 |
Storm |
-14,071 |
0 |
-1 |
0 |
Hell |
14,685 |
-1 |
-1 |
34 |
eCrow |
-16,486 |
-1 |
-2 |
-12 |
TEA |
133,656 |
1 |
10 |
71 |
Bane |
3,746 |
0 |
0 |
1 |
TROUT |
-215,775 |
-1 |
-12 |
-129 |
Valor |
2,553 |
-2 |
-3 |
9 |
SV |
24 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
WOT |
-9,911 |
-1 |
-4 |
-4 |
|
-251,300 |
-5 |
-20 |
24 |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
-211,288 |
-6 |
-24 |
-162 |
SIN |
-1,801 |
0 |
-1 |
-5 |
TA2IN |
-76,409 |
0 |
-5 |
-127 |
300 |
6,029 |
0 |
0 |
36 |
|
-283,469 |
-6 |
-30 |
-258 |
Percentage Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
-1% |
-1% |
-1% |
0% |
Unbow |
0% |
0% |
1% |
0% |
EE |
0% |
3% |
1% |
1% |
mCrow |
-1% |
-2% |
-2% |
0% |
Storm |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Hell |
0% |
-3% |
-1% |
2% |
eCrow |
-1% |
-6% |
-2% |
-1% |
TEA |
18% |
13% |
18% |
9% |
Bane |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TROUT |
-23% |
-10% |
-18% |
-23% |
Valor |
1% |
-9% |
-4% |
7% |
SV |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
WOT |
-81% |
-50% |
-67% |
-67% |
|
-1% |
-1% |
-1% |
0% |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
-4% |
-11% |
-7% |
-5% |
SIN |
0% |
0% |
-1% |
0% |
TA2IN |
-5% |
0% |
-4% |
-6% |
300 |
1% |
0% |
0% |
3% |
|
-3% |
-6% |
-4% |
-3% |
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 06:21
Here's how things have changed after ten days, broken down by Current Stats, Numeric Delta, and Percentage Delta. All deltas are comparisons against the stats posted initially. If any alliances have joined or left the war, please let me know and I'll update accordingly.
Current Stats
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
11,725,303 |
79 |
649 |
6,800 |
Unbow |
8,683,847 |
56 |
502 |
6,931 |
EE |
7,548,590 |
60 |
436 |
4,807 |
mCrow |
6,826,900 |
60 |
437 |
4,843 |
Storm |
5,299,030 |
33 |
291 |
3,391 |
Hell |
3,075,239 |
29 |
193 |
2,100 |
eCrow |
1,884,489 |
13 |
106 |
1,207 |
TEA |
634,034 |
7 |
46 |
617 |
Bane |
1,617,262 |
14 |
96 |
746 |
TROUT |
728,128 |
9 |
54 |
443 |
Valor |
235,519 |
22 |
67 |
153 |
SV |
20,984 |
3 |
10 |
26 |
WOT |
2,316 |
1 |
2 |
2 |
|
48,281,641 |
386 |
2,889 |
32,066 |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
4,772,964 |
48 |
348 |
3,311 |
SIN |
2,696,746 |
24 |
188 |
2,744 |
TA2IN |
1,466,471 |
16 |
124 |
2,001 |
300 |
914,215 |
7 |
59 |
1,135 |
|
9,850,396 |
95 |
719 |
9,191 |
Numeric Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
-135,358 |
-1 |
-10 |
23 |
Unbow |
488,234 |
2 |
25 |
424 |
EE |
-246,569 |
0 |
-8 |
-70 |
mCrow |
447,929 |
2 |
20 |
383 |
Storm |
217,440 |
3 |
19 |
255 |
Hell |
23,686 |
-2 |
-2 |
44 |
eCrow |
-422,292 |
-3 |
-22 |
-234 |
TEA |
-117,004 |
-1 |
-9 |
-181 |
Bane |
5,808 |
0 |
0 |
3 |
TROUT |
-217,841 |
-1 |
-12 |
-129 |
Valor |
8,650 |
-1 |
-1 |
16 |
SV |
-16 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
WOT |
-9,911 |
-1 |
-4 |
-4 |
|
42,756 |
-3 |
-4 |
530 |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
-34,135 |
-5 |
-14 |
26 |
SIN |
370,724 |
3 |
22 |
136 |
TA2IN |
-85,518 |
0 |
-5 |
-138 |
300 |
-54,522 |
0 |
-4 |
-52 |
|
196,549 |
-2 |
-1 |
-28 |
Percentage Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
Aesir |
-1% |
-1% |
-2% |
0% |
Unbow |
6% |
4% |
5% |
7% |
EE |
-3% |
0% |
-2% |
-1% |
mCrow |
7% |
3% |
5% |
9% |
Storm |
4% |
10% |
7% |
8% |
Hell |
1% |
-6% |
-1% |
2% |
eCrow |
-18% |
-19% |
-17% |
-16% |
TEA |
-16% |
-13% |
-16% |
-23% |
Bane |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TROUT |
-23% |
-10% |
-18% |
-23% |
Valor |
4% |
-4% |
-1% |
12% |
SV |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
WOT |
-81% |
-50% |
-67% |
-67% |
|
0% |
-1% |
0% |
2% |
SINdicate
|
Pop |
Mem |
Towns |
Land |
LOKI |
-1% |
-9% |
-4% |
1% |
SIN |
16% |
14% |
13% |
5% |
TA2IN |
-6% |
0% |
-4% |
-6% |
300 |
-6% |
0% |
-6% |
-4% |
|
2% |
-2% |
0% |
0% |
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Posted By: DeliciousJosh
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 08:12
Looks like a few changes going on :) the population and town data is interesting as well as the sov. Fun to follow
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 13:14
It would be more interesting to see the changes in attack, defense, diplomacy. That would demonstrate who has been fighting.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 19:30
Ten Kulch wrote:
It would be more interesting to see the changes in attack, defense, diplomacy. That would demonstrate who has been fighting. |
I agree.
Here's a new data set including additional data points from the alliance leaderboard page. Given I don't have the historic values for this data, today's data will represent the new baseline for future comparisons that I will periodically post.
Current Stats
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
6,796 |
79 |
649 |
11,730,953 |
67,487,588 |
4,659,770 |
1,906,591 |
12,375,681 |
Unbow |
6,924 |
56 |
502 |
8,694,929 |
23,073,559 |
1,000,943 |
823,490 |
13,419,362 |
EE |
4,793 |
59 |
435 |
7,561,739 |
46,998,700 |
4,367,713 |
2,113,335 |
13,504,697 |
mCrow |
4,842 |
60 |
437 |
6,828,189 |
64,597,034 |
2,995,521 |
1,387,500 |
6,438,464 |
Storm |
3,391 |
33 |
291 |
5,299,341 |
35,654,793 |
2,830,773 |
1,811,255 |
11,106,742 |
Hell |
2,100 |
29 |
193 |
3,078,157 |
11,507,134 |
1,818,797 |
152,523 |
2,137,541 |
eCrow |
1,207 |
13 |
106 |
1,884,520 |
39,676,646 |
3,089,581 |
329,396 |
9,902,535 |
TEA |
617 |
7 |
46 |
634,177 |
764,685 |
28,149 |
17,791 |
733 |
Bane |
746 |
14 |
96 |
1,617,336 |
3,877,813 |
480,862 |
30,698 |
596,949 |
TROUT |
443 |
9 |
54 |
728,625 |
1,522,518 |
265,220 |
4,915 |
313,380 |
Valor |
151 |
22 |
67 |
235,752 |
659,029 |
271,273 |
21,345 |
7,524 |
SV |
26 |
3 |
10 |
20,984 |
14,556,024 |
2,849,606 |
228,821 |
42,069 |
WOT |
2 |
1 |
2 |
2,316 |
25,419,879 |
2,773,639 |
852,608 |
6,264,454 |
|
32,038 |
385 |
2,888 |
48,317,018 |
335,795,402 |
27,431,847 |
9,680,268 |
76,110,131 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
3,312 |
48 |
349 |
4,777,607 |
22,448,760 |
1,884,672 |
1,837,154 |
6,501,461 |
SIN |
2,736 |
24 |
188 |
2,695,321 |
57,933,653 |
2,704,555 |
2,045,239 |
41,062,879 |
TA2IN |
2,002 |
16 |
125 |
1,467,800 |
5,947,576 |
471,085 |
864,462 |
6,773,055 |
300 |
1,135 |
7 |
59 |
914,233 |
6,129,184 |
165,472 |
120,559 |
4,577,446 |
|
9,185 |
95 |
721 |
9,854,961 |
92,459,173 |
5,225,784 |
4,867,414 |
58,914,841 |
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Posted By: DeliciousJosh
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 19:38
Numbeerrrsss
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Posted By: Garth
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 19:51
TA2IN has declared on HoMa, so those numbers should be added as well.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2017 at 20:26
Garth wrote:
TA2IN has declared on HoMa, so those numbers should be added as well. |
I can't seem to edit my previous post to add HoMa, so here's a new post including HoMa.
Current Stats
Elgean Alliances Current Stats
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
6,796 |
79 |
649 |
11,730,953 |
67,487,588 |
4,659,770 |
1,906,591 |
12,375,681 |
Unbow |
6,924 |
56 |
502 |
8,694,929 |
23,073,559 |
1,000,943 |
823,490 |
13,419,362 |
EE |
4,793 |
59 |
435 |
7,561,739 |
46,998,700 |
4,367,713 |
2,113,335 |
13,504,697 |
mCrow |
4,842 |
60 |
437 |
6,828,189 |
64,597,034 |
2,995,521 |
1,387,500 |
6,438,464 |
Storm |
3,391 |
33 |
291 |
5,299,341 |
35,654,793 |
2,830,773 |
1,811,255 |
11,106,742 |
Hell |
2,100 |
29 |
193 |
3,078,157 |
11,507,134 |
1,818,797 |
152,523 |
2,137,541 |
HoMa |
1,521 |
7 |
124 |
2,058,444 |
1,204,555 |
25,560 |
4,914 |
19,660 |
eCrow |
1,207 |
13 |
106 |
1,884,520 |
39,676,646 |
3,089,581 |
329,396 |
9,902,535 |
TEA |
617 |
7 |
46 |
634,177 |
764,685 |
28,149 |
17,791 |
733 |
Bane |
746 |
14 |
96 |
1,617,336 |
3,877,813 |
480,862 |
30,698 |
596,949 |
TROUT |
443 |
9 |
54 |
728,625 |
1,522,518 |
265,220 |
4,915 |
313,380 |
Valor |
151 |
22 |
67 |
235,752 |
659,029 |
271,273 |
21,345 |
7,524 |
SV |
26 |
3 |
10 |
20,984 |
14,556,024 |
2,849,606 |
228,821 |
42,069 |
WOT |
2 |
1 |
2 |
2,316 |
25,419,879 |
2,773,639 |
852,608 |
6,264,454 |
|
33,559 |
392 |
3,012 |
50,375,462 |
336,999,957 |
27,457,407 |
9,685,182 |
76,129,791 |
SINdicate | Land | Mem | Towns | Pop | Atk | Build | Diplo | Def | LOKI | 3,312 | 48 | 349 | 4,777,607 | 22,448,760 | 1,884,672 | 1,837,154 | 6,501,461 | SIN | 2,736 | 24 | 188 | 2,695,321 | 57,933,653 | 2,704,555 | 2,045,239 | 41,062,879 | TA2IN | 2,002 | 16 | 125 | 1,467,800 | 5,947,576 | 471,085 | 864,462 | 6,773,055 | 300 | 1,135 | 7 | 59 | 914,233 | 6,129,184 | 165,472 | 120,559 | 4,577,446 | | 9,185 | 95 | 721 | 9,854,961 | 92,459,173 | 5,225,784 | 4,867,414 | 58,914,841 |
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2017 at 22:32
And here's what a day looks like, including Atk, Def, and Diplo scores.
Current Stats
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
6,710 |
79 |
644 |
11,685,402 |
67,545,517 |
4,663,108 |
1,911,069 |
12,379,682 |
Unbow |
6,930 |
56 |
503 |
8,699,642 |
23,084,474 |
1,004,688 |
823,520 |
13,419,702 |
EE |
4,969 |
60 |
446 |
7,845,198 |
47,039,664 |
4,374,465 |
2,113,763 |
13,517,899 |
mCrow |
4,843 |
60 |
437 |
6,835,600 |
64,612,664 |
2,997,909 |
1,392,714 |
6,440,852 |
Storm |
3,365 |
32 |
285 |
5,273,748 |
35,660,561 |
2,832,049 |
1,815,855 |
11,107,003 |
Hell |
2,106 |
29 |
194 |
3,080,838 |
11,548,029 |
1,820,434 |
157,190 |
2,137,541 |
HoMa |
1,388 |
6 |
112 |
1,876,275 |
1,298,394 |
26,113 |
5,144 |
19,660 |
eCrow |
1,207 |
13 |
106 |
1,885,223 |
39,676,646 |
3,089,762 |
329,396 |
9,902,538 |
TEA |
617 |
7 |
46 |
634,607 |
764,687 |
28,581 |
17,791 |
853 |
Bane |
746 |
14 |
96 |
1,617,743 |
3,878,093 |
481,257 |
30,698 |
596,949 |
TROUT |
443 |
9 |
54 |
728,757 |
1,522,518 |
265,318 |
4,915 |
313,380 |
Valor |
155 |
22 |
67 |
238,098 |
669,081 |
272,537 |
21,345 |
7,524 |
SV |
26 |
3 |
10 |
20,984 |
14,556,024 |
2,849,606 |
228,821 |
42,069 |
WOT |
2 |
1 |
2 |
2,316 |
25,419,879 |
2,773,639 |
852,608 |
6,264,454 |
|
33,507 |
391 |
3,002 |
50,424,431 |
337,276,231 |
27,479,466 |
9,704,829 |
76,150,106 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
3,284 |
47 |
343 |
4,749,059 |
22,466,278 |
1,889,412 |
1,837,154 |
6,502,442 |
SIN |
2,721 |
24 |
187 |
2,706,606 |
57,961,452 |
2,708,664 |
2,048,119 |
41,177,806 |
TA2IN |
2,019 |
16 |
125 |
1,473,976 |
5,976,961 |
472,627 |
866,476 |
6,777,006 |
300 |
1,120 |
7 |
58 |
892,492 |
6,129,577 |
166,074 |
120,699 |
4,577,452 |
|
9,144 |
94 |
713 |
9,822,133 |
92,534,268 |
5,236,777 |
4,872,448 |
59,034,706 |
Numeric Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-86 |
0 |
-5 |
-45,551 |
57,929 |
3,338 |
4,478 |
4,001 |
Unbow |
6 |
0 |
1 |
4,713 |
10,915 |
3,745 |
30 |
340 |
EE |
176 |
1 |
11 |
283,459 |
40,964 |
6,752 |
428 |
13,202 |
mCrow |
1 |
0 |
0 |
7,411 |
15,630 |
2,388 |
5,214 |
2,388 |
Storm |
-26 |
-1 |
-6 |
-25,593 |
5,768 |
1,276 |
4,600 |
261 |
Hell |
6 |
0 |
1 |
2,681 |
40,895 |
1,637 |
4,667 |
0 |
HoMa |
-133 |
-1 |
-12 |
-182,169 |
93,839 |
553 |
230 |
0 |
eCrow |
0 |
0 |
0 |
703 |
0 |
181 |
0 |
3 |
TEA |
0 |
0 |
0 |
430 |
2 |
432 |
0 |
120 |
Bane |
0 |
0 |
0 |
407 |
280 |
395 |
0 |
0 |
TROUT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
132 |
0 |
98 |
0 |
0 |
Valor |
4 |
0 |
0 |
2,346 |
10,052 |
1,264 |
0 |
0 |
SV |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
WOT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
-52 |
-1 |
-10 |
48,969 |
276,274 |
22,059 |
19,647 |
20,315 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
-28 |
-1 |
-6 |
-28,548 |
17,518 |
4,740 |
0 |
981 |
SIN |
-15 |
0 |
-1 |
11,285 |
27,799 |
4,109 |
2,880 |
114,927 |
TA2IN |
17 |
0 |
0 |
6,176 |
29,385 |
1,542 |
2,014 |
3,951 |
300 |
-15 |
0 |
-1 |
-21,741 |
393 |
602 |
140 |
6 |
|
-41 |
-1 |
-8 |
-32,828 |
75,095 |
10,993 |
5,034 |
119,865 |
Percentage Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-1% |
0% |
-1% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Unbow |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
EE |
4% |
2% |
3% |
4% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
mCrow |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Storm |
-1% |
-3% |
-2% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Hell |
0% |
0% |
1% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
3% |
0% |
HoMa |
-9% |
-14% |
-10% |
-9% |
8% |
2% |
5% |
0% |
eCrow |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TEA |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
2% |
0% |
16% |
Bane |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TROUT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Valor |
3% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
2% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
SV |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
WOT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
|
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
-1% |
-2% |
-2% |
-1% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
SIN |
-1% |
0% |
-1% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TA2IN |
1% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
300 |
-1% |
0% |
-2% |
-2% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
|
0% |
-1% |
-1% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2017 at 18:52
Day 12. Any commentary from those with insights is welcome.
Current Stats
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
6,619 |
77 |
636 |
11,441,100 |
68,943,240 |
4,703,980 |
2,025,697 |
13,729,935 |
Unbow |
6,562 |
56 |
494 |
8,416,508 |
23,298,153 |
1,047,176 |
836,200 |
13,450,531 |
EE |
4,998 |
60 |
448 |
7,785,889 |
47,325,499 |
4,426,158 |
2,138,738 |
13,520,868 |
mCrow |
4,979 |
63 |
459 |
7,239,235 |
64,975,580 |
3,033,894 |
1,406,066 |
6,453,932 |
Storm |
3,219 |
29 |
274 |
5,056,693 |
35,842,558 |
2,845,461 |
1,832,442 |
11,109,033 |
Hell |
2,087 |
27 |
190 |
3,074,175 |
11,876,241 |
1,836,750 |
160,365 |
2,152,577 |
HoMa |
1,506 |
7 |
126 |
2,254,965 |
1,933,550 |
32,170 |
5,164 |
79,666 |
eCrow |
1,074 |
11 |
93 |
1,699,030 |
39,676,646 |
3,090,952 |
329,466 |
9,912,870 |
TEA |
616 |
7 |
46 |
637,739 |
910,055 |
34,061 |
18,191 |
853 |
Bane |
745 |
13 |
94 |
1,623,259 |
3,884,977 |
484,134 |
30,698 |
596,949 |
TROUT |
443 |
9 |
54 |
729,032 |
1,531,047 |
266,317 |
4,915 |
313,380 |
Valor |
188 |
20 |
71 |
267,888 |
726,922 |
281,670 |
21,385 |
9,888 |
SV |
26 |
3 |
10 |
21,026 |
14,556,103 |
2,849,769 |
228,821 |
42,069 |
WOT |
2 |
1 |
2 |
2,316 |
25,419,879 |
2,773,639 |
852,608 |
6,264,454 |
|
33,064 |
383 |
2,997 |
50,248,855 |
340,900,450 |
27,706,131 |
9,890,756 |
77,637,005 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
3,467 |
44 |
341 |
4,732,125 |
23,189,608 |
1,936,570 |
1,916,869 |
6,563,748 |
SIN |
2,773 |
23 |
177 |
2,690,012 |
58,416,677 |
2,727,742 |
2,063,390 |
41,863,765 |
TA2IN |
1,953 |
14 |
113 |
1,352,380 |
8,161,967 |
487,606 |
878,998 |
8,344,899 |
300 |
1,147 |
7 |
62 |
880,756 |
6,166,810 |
175,603 |
128,192 |
4,658,829 |
|
9,340 |
88 |
693 |
9,655,273 |
95,935,062 |
5,327,521 |
4,987,449 |
61,431,241 |
Numeric Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-177 |
-2 |
-13 |
-289,853 |
1,455,652 |
44,210 |
119,106 |
1,354,254 |
Unbow |
-362 |
0 |
-8 |
-278,421 |
224,594 |
46,233 |
12,710 |
31,169 |
EE |
205 |
1 |
13 |
224,150 |
326,799 |
58,445 |
25,403 |
16,171 |
mCrow |
137 |
3 |
22 |
411,046 |
378,546 |
38,373 |
18,566 |
15,468 |
Storm |
-172 |
-4 |
-17 |
-242,648 |
187,765 |
14,688 |
21,187 |
2,291 |
Hell |
-13 |
-2 |
-3 |
-3,982 |
369,107 |
17,953 |
7,842 |
15,036 |
HoMa |
-15 |
0 |
2 |
196,521 |
728,995 |
6,610 |
250 |
60,006 |
eCrow |
-133 |
-2 |
-13 |
-185,490 |
0 |
1,371 |
70 |
10,335 |
TEA |
-1 |
0 |
0 |
3,562 |
145,370 |
5,912 |
400 |
120 |
Bane |
-1 |
-1 |
-2 |
5,923 |
7,164 |
3,272 |
0 |
0 |
TROUT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
407 |
8,529 |
1,097 |
0 |
0 |
Valor |
37 |
-2 |
4 |
32,136 |
67,893 |
10,397 |
40 |
2,364 |
SV |
0 |
0 |
0 |
42 |
79 |
163 |
0 |
0 |
WOT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
-495 |
-9 |
-15 |
-126,607 |
3,900,493 |
248,724 |
205,574 |
1,507,214 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
155 |
-4 |
-8 |
-45,482 |
740,848 |
51,898 |
79,715 |
62,287 |
SIN |
37 |
-1 |
-11 |
-5,309 |
483,024 |
23,187 |
18,151 |
800,886 |
TA2IN |
-49 |
-2 |
-12 |
-115,420 |
2,214,391 |
16,521 |
14,536 |
1,571,844 |
300 |
12 |
0 |
3 |
-33,477 |
37,626 |
10,131 |
7,633 |
81,383 |
|
155 |
-7 |
-28 |
-199,688 |
3,475,889 |
101,737 |
120,035 |
2,516,400 |
Percentage Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-3% |
-3% |
-2% |
-2% |
2% |
1% |
6% |
11% |
Unbow |
-5% |
0% |
-2% |
-3% |
1% |
5% |
2% |
0% |
EE |
4% |
2% |
3% |
3% |
1% |
1% |
1% |
0% |
mCrow |
3% |
5% |
5% |
6% |
1% |
1% |
1% |
0% |
Storm |
-5% |
-12% |
-6% |
-5% |
1% |
1% |
1% |
0% |
Hell |
-1% |
-7% |
-2% |
0% |
3% |
1% |
5% |
1% |
HoMa |
-1% |
0% |
2% |
10% |
61% |
26% |
5% |
305% |
eCrow |
-11% |
-15% |
-12% |
-10% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TEA |
0% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
19% |
21% |
2% |
16% |
Bane |
0% |
-7% |
-2% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
0% |
0% |
TROUT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
Valor |
25% |
-9% |
6% |
14% |
10% |
4% |
0% |
31% |
SV |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
WOT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
|
-1% |
-2% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
1% |
2% |
2% |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
5% |
-8% |
-2% |
-1% |
3% |
3% |
4% |
1% |
SIN |
1% |
-4% |
-6% |
0% |
1% |
1% |
1% |
2% |
TA2IN |
-2% |
-13% |
-10% |
-8% |
37% |
4% |
2% |
23% |
300 |
1% |
0% |
5% |
-4% |
1% |
6% |
6% |
2% |
|
2% |
-7% |
-4% |
-2% |
4% |
2% |
2% |
4% |
|
Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2017 at 22:49
Day 21. Any commentary from those with insights is welcome.
Current Stats
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
6,587 |
77 |
638 |
11,370,679 |
69,218,490 |
4,729,550 |
2,115,405 |
13,981,065 |
Unbow |
6,550 |
56 |
494 |
8,419,655 |
23,472,974 |
1,073,871 |
836,234 |
13,461,736 |
EE |
5,117 |
60 |
454 |
7,811,675 |
47,567,996 |
4,465,149 |
2,147,568 |
13,567,946 |
mCrow |
5,039 |
63 |
463 |
7,310,515 |
65,333,764 |
3,061,327 |
1,435,010 |
6,521,760 |
Storm |
3,301 |
30 |
282 |
5,197,077 |
35,948,028 |
2,854,436 |
1,896,457 |
11,142,541 |
Hell |
2,149 |
27 |
191 |
3,076,758 |
11,966,947 |
1,848,956 |
167,808 |
2,165,560 |
HoMa |
1,567 |
8 |
137 |
2,338,324 |
2,173,587 |
38,120 |
5,164 |
91,076 |
eCrow |
904 |
10 |
81 |
1,580,129 |
39,723,815 |
3,091,810 |
329,566 |
9,913,369 |
TEA |
660 |
8 |
52 |
676,462 |
917,109 |
36,689 |
18,191 |
934 |
Bane |
734 |
13 |
94 |
1,603,499 |
3,906,357 |
487,162 |
30,698 |
600,089 |
TROUT |
443 |
9 |
54 |
729,898 |
1,535,009 |
266,876 |
4,915 |
313,380 |
Valor |
196 |
21 |
68 |
268,794 |
743,421 |
289,465 |
21,385 |
10,875 |
SV |
25 |
3 |
9 |
9,199 |
14,556,103 |
2,849,862 |
228,821 |
42,939 |
WOT |
2 |
1 |
2 |
2,316 |
25,419,879 |
2,773,639 |
852,608 |
6,264,454 |
|
33,274 |
386 |
3,019 |
50,394,980 |
342,483,479 |
27,866,912 |
10,089,830 |
78,077,724 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
3,534 |
45 |
351 |
4,746,691 |
23,573,041 |
1,966,235 |
1,956,485 |
6,591,080 |
SIN |
2,867 |
24 |
184 |
2,703,740 |
58,652,443 |
2,741,437 |
2,095,602 |
41,900,649 |
TA2IN |
1,925 |
14 |
113 |
1,360,859 |
8,237,090 |
500,821 |
893,954 |
8,389,728 |
300 |
1,148 |
7 |
63 |
887,422 |
6,214,513 |
180,769 |
154,637 |
4,725,608 |
|
9,474 |
90 |
711 |
9,698,712 |
96,677,087 |
5,389,262 |
5,100,678 |
61,607,065 |
Numeric Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-209 |
-2 |
-11 |
-360,274 |
1,730,902 |
69,780 |
208,814 |
1,605,384 |
Unbow |
-374 |
0 |
-8 |
-275,274 |
399,415 |
72,928 |
12,744 |
42,374 |
EE |
324 |
1 |
19 |
249,936 |
569,296 |
97,436 |
34,233 |
63,249 |
mCrow |
197 |
3 |
26 |
482,326 |
736,730 |
65,806 |
47,510 |
83,296 |
Storm |
-90 |
-3 |
-9 |
-102,264 |
293,235 |
23,663 |
85,202 |
35,799 |
Hell |
49 |
-2 |
-2 |
-1,399 |
459,813 |
30,159 |
15,285 |
28,019 |
HoMa |
46 |
1 |
13 |
279,880 |
969,032 |
12,560 |
250 |
71,416 |
eCrow |
-303 |
-3 |
-25 |
-304,391 |
47,169 |
2,229 |
170 |
10,834 |
TEA |
43 |
1 |
6 |
42,285 |
152,424 |
8,540 |
400 |
201 |
Bane |
-12 |
-1 |
-2 |
-13,837 |
28,544 |
6,300 |
0 |
3,140 |
TROUT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
1,273 |
12,491 |
1,656 |
0 |
0 |
Valor |
45 |
-1 |
1 |
33,042 |
84,392 |
18,192 |
40 |
3,351 |
SV |
-1 |
0 |
-1 |
-11,785 |
79 |
256 |
0 |
870 |
WOT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
-285 |
-6 |
7 |
19,518 |
5,483,522 |
409,505 |
404,648 |
1,947,933 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
222 |
-3 |
2 |
-30,916 |
1,124,281 |
81,563 |
119,331 |
89,619 |
SIN |
131 |
0 |
-4 |
8,419 |
718,790 |
36,882 |
50,363 |
837,770 |
TA2IN |
-77 |
-2 |
-12 |
-106,941 |
2,289,514 |
29,736 |
29,492 |
1,616,673 |
300 |
13 |
0 |
4 |
-26,811 |
85,329 |
15,297 |
34,078 |
148,162 |
|
289 |
-5 |
-10 |
-156,249 |
4,217,914 |
163,478 |
233,264 |
2,692,224 |
Percentage Delta
Elgean Alliances
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-3% |
-3% |
-2% |
-3% |
3% |
1% |
11% |
13% |
Unbow |
-5% |
0% |
-2% |
-3% |
2% |
7% |
2% |
0% |
EE |
7% |
2% |
4% |
3% |
1% |
2% |
2% |
0% |
mCrow |
4% |
5% |
6% |
7% |
1% |
2% |
3% |
1% |
Storm |
-3% |
-9% |
-3% |
-2% |
1% |
1% |
5% |
0% |
Hell |
2% |
-7% |
-1% |
0% |
4% |
2% |
10% |
1% |
HoMa |
3% |
14% |
10% |
14% |
80% |
49% |
5% |
363% |
eCrow |
-25% |
-23% |
-24% |
-16% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TEA |
7% |
14% |
13% |
7% |
20% |
30% |
2% |
27% |
Bane |
-2% |
-7% |
-2% |
-1% |
1% |
1% |
0% |
1% |
TROUT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
1% |
0% |
0% |
Valor |
30% |
-5% |
1% |
14% |
13% |
7% |
0% |
45% |
SV |
-4% |
0% |
-10% |
-56% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
2% |
WOT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
|
-1% |
-2% |
0% |
0% |
2% |
1% |
4% |
3% |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
7% |
-6% |
1% |
-1% |
5% |
4% |
6% |
1% |
SIN |
5% |
0% |
-2% |
0% |
1% |
1% |
2% |
2% |
TA2IN |
-4% |
-13% |
-10% |
-7% |
38% |
6% |
3% |
24% |
300 |
1% |
0% |
7% |
-3% |
1% |
9% |
28% |
3% |
|
3% |
-5% |
-1% |
-2% |
5% |
3% |
5% |
5% |
|
Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 20:12
Day 24. While VALOR has announced their surrender, I haven't seen an acceptance of that surrender from the SINdicate. Given it only takes one willing participant to have a war, I will be including VALOR in the Grand Alliance side until it is confirmed they are no longer being targeted.
Also, I am renaming what I was previously calling "Elgean Alliances" to "Grand Alliance", as that seems to be a name that has stuck on both sides. Also, in the absence of a broadly accepted name, I propose that this conflict be referred to as the Grand Sin war...seems somehow appropriate. ;)
Current Stats
Grand Alliance
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
6,344 |
75 |
615 |
10,812,600 |
69,248,746 |
4,738,186 |
2,158,971 |
14,239,547 |
Unbow |
6,535 |
56 |
493 |
8,406,326 |
23,516,488 |
1,081,271 |
839,727 |
13,477,821 |
EE |
5,313 |
60 |
469 |
8,177,870 |
47,702,809 |
4,478,696 |
2,148,370 |
13,629,477 |
mCrow |
5,044 |
63 |
465 |
7,299,088 |
65,397,758 |
3,069,332 |
1,451,910 |
6,525,191 |
Storm |
3,248 |
30 |
283 |
5,142,133 |
35,975,607 |
2,858,203 |
1,901,387 |
11,143,069 |
Hell |
2,170 |
28 |
198 |
3,129,462 |
11,974,141 |
1,853,109 |
181,308 |
2,165,563 |
HoMa |
1,054 |
5 |
97 |
1,520,226 |
2,184,596 |
39,255 |
5,164 |
91,076 |
eCrow |
904 |
10 |
81 |
1,581,185 |
39,723,815 |
3,092,041 |
329,566 |
9,913,798 |
TEA |
660 |
8 |
52 |
678,189 |
917,109 |
37,695 |
18,191 |
934 |
Bane |
734 |
13 |
94 |
1,605,157 |
3,906,886 |
488,044 |
30,698 |
600,089 |
TROUT |
445 |
9 |
54 |
730,833 |
1,537,902 |
267,124 |
4,915 |
313,380 |
Valor |
201 |
21 |
68 |
273,050 |
751,977 |
292,794 |
21,385 |
10,875 |
SV |
22 |
3 |
7 |
8,110 |
14,556,103 |
2,850,052 |
228,821 |
44,218 |
WOT |
2 |
1 |
2 |
2,316 |
25,419,879 |
2,773,639 |
852,608 |
6,264,454 |
|
32,676 |
382 |
2,978 |
49,366,545 |
342,813,816 |
27,919,441 |
10,173,021 |
78,419,492 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
3,519 |
42 |
328 |
4,639,129 |
23,871,757 |
1,973,550 |
1,957,549 |
6,865,547 |
SIN |
2,848 |
23 |
180 |
2,699,835 |
58,803,127 |
2,745,605 |
2,098,859 |
41,914,023 |
TA2IN |
1,820 |
13 |
106 |
1,310,331 |
8,425,638 |
503,067 |
896,181 |
8,396,841 |
300 |
1,154 |
7 |
63 |
888,403 |
6,306,256 |
181,853 |
163,931 |
4,732,805 |
|
9,341 |
85 |
677 |
9,537,698 |
97,406,778 |
5,404,075 |
5,116,520 |
61,909,216 |
Numeric Delta
Grand Alliance
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-452 |
-4 |
-34 |
-918,353 |
1,761,158 |
78,416 |
252,380 |
1,863,866 |
Unbow |
-389 |
0 |
-9 |
-288,603 |
442,929 |
80,328 |
16,237 |
58,459 |
EE |
520 |
1 |
34 |
616,131 |
704,109 |
110,983 |
35,035 |
124,780 |
mCrow |
202 |
3 |
28 |
470,899 |
800,724 |
73,811 |
64,410 |
86,727 |
Storm |
-143 |
-3 |
-8 |
-157,208 |
320,814 |
27,430 |
90,132 |
36,327 |
Hell |
70 |
-1 |
5 |
51,305 |
467,007 |
34,312 |
28,785 |
28,022 |
HoMa |
-467 |
-2 |
-27 |
-538,218 |
980,041 |
13,695 |
250 |
71,416 |
eCrow |
-303 |
-3 |
-25 |
-303,335 |
47,169 |
2,460 |
170 |
11,263 |
TEA |
43 |
1 |
6 |
44,012 |
152,424 |
9,546 |
400 |
201 |
Bane |
-12 |
-1 |
-2 |
-12,179 |
29,073 |
7,182 |
0 |
3,140 |
TROUT |
2 |
0 |
0 |
2,208 |
15,384 |
1,904 |
0 |
0 |
Valor |
50 |
-1 |
1 |
37,298 |
92,948 |
21,521 |
40 |
3,351 |
SV |
-4 |
0 |
-3 |
-12,874 |
79 |
446 |
0 |
2,149 |
WOT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
-883 |
-10 |
-34 |
-1,008,917 |
5,813,859 |
462,034 |
487,839 |
2,289,701 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
207 |
-6 |
-21 |
-138,478 |
1,422,997 |
88,878 |
120,395 |
364,086 |
SIN |
112 |
-1 |
-8 |
4,514 |
869,474 |
41,050 |
53,620 |
851,144 |
TA2IN |
-182 |
-3 |
-19 |
-157,469 |
2,478,062 |
31,982 |
31,719 |
1,623,786 |
300 |
19 |
0 |
4 |
-25,830 |
177,072 |
16,381 |
43,372 |
155,359 |
|
156 |
-10 |
-44 |
-317,263 |
4,947,605 |
178,291 |
249,106 |
2,994,375 |
Percentage Delta
Grand Alliance
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-7% |
-5% |
-5% |
-8% |
3% |
2% |
13% |
15% |
Unbow |
-6% |
0% |
-2% |
-3% |
2% |
8% |
2% |
0% |
EE |
11% |
2% |
8% |
8% |
1% |
3% |
2% |
1% |
mCrow |
4% |
5% |
6% |
7% |
1% |
2% |
5% |
1% |
Storm |
-4% |
-9% |
-3% |
-3% |
1% |
1% |
5% |
0% |
Hell |
3% |
-3% |
3% |
2% |
4% |
2% |
19% |
1% |
HoMa |
-31% |
-29% |
-22% |
-26% |
81% |
54% |
5% |
363% |
eCrow |
-25% |
-23% |
-24% |
-16% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TEA |
7% |
14% |
13% |
7% |
20% |
34% |
2% |
27% |
Bane |
-2% |
-7% |
-2% |
-1% |
1% |
1% |
0% |
1% |
TROUT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
1% |
0% |
0% |
Valor |
33% |
-5% |
1% |
16% |
14% |
8% |
0% |
45% |
SV |
-15% |
0% |
-30% |
-61% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
5% |
WOT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
|
-3% |
-3% |
-1% |
-2% |
2% |
2% |
5% |
3% |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
6% |
-13% |
-6% |
-3% |
6% |
5% |
7% |
6% |
SIN |
4% |
-4% |
-4% |
0% |
2% |
2% |
3% |
2% |
TA2IN |
-9% |
-19% |
-15% |
-11% |
42% |
7% |
4% |
24% |
300 |
2% |
0% |
7% |
-3% |
3% |
10% |
36% |
3% |
|
2% |
-11% |
-6% |
-3% |
5% |
3% |
5% |
5% |
|
Posted By: Sauron
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 21:55
Thanks for providing these stats Mafro. And yes, peace with Valor is
accepted, there is no longer a status of war between ta2in and valor.
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Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 22:26
Hucbold removed midav from Aesir as he knew i was inbound to siege. Now, he will probably come up with something like, he was inactive or similar, the fact of the matter is, he cannot meet my forces head on and booting midav was the only way he could attempt to save face.
The counter argument to his "inactive" reasoning would be, by letting me siege gives the free pot shots to take at my troops relatively safely with only losing the town of an "inactive" player.
The fact that aesir is not able to repel a siege or even meet my troops head on, in their heartland region ragallon/windlost is very telling. This move by hucbold has clearly demonstrated to me that aesir and everyone I am at war with have 0 chance of defeating my troops head on.
Thanks for the complete and utter capitulation.
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Posted By: Neytiri
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 22:55
Are you looking for feedback on this method of scoring a military conflict? If so: Have you considered weighting the scores? I'm not sure a high defense score means you are winning, for example, it just means you are getting attacked.Like, maybe a ratio of defense score to troops lost would be a more accurate means of scoring your performance on the receiving end of a battle?
------------- "It is well that their bodies know the heat and the cold; it will make them strong warriors and mothers." - Absaroke elder (from Edward S. Curtis's book 'The North American Indian')
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 23:17
Neytiri wrote:
Are you looking for feedback on this method of scoring a military conflict? If so: Have you considered weighting the scores? I'm not sure a high defense score means you are winning, for example, it just means you are getting attacked.Like, maybe a ratio of defense score to troops lost would be a more accurate means of scoring your performance on the receiving end of a battle? |
I agree these stats are not the ideal way to score a conflict, but I don't know of a better way. If you know a way to quickly and easily collect better data (like troops lost), please post it.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 23:19
Sauron wrote:
Thanks for providing these stats Mafro. And yes, peace with Valor is
accepted, there is no longer a status of war between ta2in and valor.
|
Is there a log of these diplomatic status changes anywhere?
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2017 at 23:24
The best method is probably just public analysis by the commanders, assuming they are willing to share information. Every major battle tells a story. Stats can never fully encompass what really happens on the battlefield.
------------- Check out my blog, http://illywarmonger.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow - Warmongering in Illyriad for self-defense techniques, military city construction, and PvP strategies.
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Posted By: Sauron
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 00:44
Mafro wrote:
Sauron wrote:
Thanks for providing these stats Mafro. And yes, peace with Valor is
accepted, there is no longer a status of war between ta2in and valor.
|
Is there a log of these diplomatic status changes anywhere? |
don't think so, should appear in gc and ac, but does not seem to show up on the diplomatic stats page
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 02:44
Malek wrote:
Hucbold removed midav from Aesir as he knew i was inbound to siege. Now, he will probably come up with something like, he was inactive or similar, the fact of the matter is, he cannot meet my forces head on and booting midav was the only way he could attempt to save face.
The counter argument to his "inactive" reasoning would be, by letting me siege gives the free pot shots to take at my troops relatively safely with only losing the town of an "inactive" player.
The fact that aesir is not able to repel a siege or even meet my troops head on, in their heartland region ragallon/windlost is very telling. This move by hucbold has clearly demonstrated to me that aesir and everyone I am at war with have 0 chance of defeating my troops head on.
Thanks for the complete and utter capitulation. |
Wow
Counter arguments to arguments that have not been put. Whatever next?
Thanks for letting me know that there is an incoming siege - let me know the arrival time and town maybe.
Siegeing towns with no active defence, in this case no troops and no player, prooves nothing. Indeed the player has never been a military player. When your siege arrives, I'll be celebrating New Year, like a normal person.
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Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 03:07
Well, you see hucbold, you have a penchant for outright lying. So I know the excuses/lies that you come up with, hence making pre-empting the arguments you would normally come up with. Wont matter if i told you what town would be sieged or not, it is impossible for your hopeless alliance to break it.
Dont kid me you know there is a siege on the way, as why would you have kicked the player now when we have been withing striking range of your towns for weeks. Face it, you cant repel any forces that we throw at your alliance. I am going to wipe out your entire ragallon windlost operation with little to no resistance.
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Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 08:20
Hucbold wrote:
Siegeing towns with no active defence, in this case no troops and no player, prooves nothing. Indeed the player has never been a military player. When your siege arrives, I'll be celebrating New Year, like a normal person. |
Basically your entire alliance. Got it. Maybe you should have though of all the non military players in your alliance before you brought lyken sent him to attack my siege on mcrow, declared on my alliance and made all these inflammatory comments in the forums. Now, none of you can leave, everyone will be hammered mercilessly. You are probably the most inept and dopey foe I have encountered in this game. Thanks for being my MVP.
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 10:34
Malek wrote:
Well, you see hucbold, you have a penchant for outright lying. So I know the excuses/lies that you come up with, hence making pre-empting the arguments you would normally come up with. Wont matter if i told you what town would be sieged or not, it is impossible for your hopeless alliance to break it.
Dont kid me you know there is a siege on the way, as why would you have kicked the player now when we have been withing striking range of your towns for weeks. Face it, you cant repel any forces that we throw at your alliance. I am going to wipe out your entire ragallon windlost operation with little to no resistance. |
Well my prediction about the siege you have not yet sent is that it will head for https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/480/171" rel="nofollow - https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/Map/480/171
If I'm right, you should check for spies.
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Posted By: Dessembrae
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 13:24
Mafro wrote:
Sauron wrote:
Thanks for providing these stats Mafro. And yes, peace with Valor is
accepted, there is no longer a status of war between ta2in and valor.
|
Is there a log of these diplomatic status changes anywhere? |
https://elgea.illyriad.co.uk/#/World/HeraldDiplomatic
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Posted By: Fiona
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 15:04
Its funny, when your side hits small accounts, razes small towns that had no troops, because they were either inactive or an actual newb, (in the newb ring) and I holler. You all tell me to get over it, its war, no one is safe blah blah. So basically you are saying its ok to do that. Now that it is happening to your side, you are saying it proves nothing? That is what I have been saying from the start. I have to say, Hucbold, you are a walking contradiction. Can you even keep track of the things you say? I have been at war with many people and several alliances, and I recall the people I warred with in the past having more honor and integrity. Guess that is gone now.
Fiona
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 16:01
Fiona wrote:
Its funny, when your side hits small accounts, razes small towns that had no troops, because they were either inactive or an actual newb, (in the newb ring) and I holler. You all tell me to get over it, its war, no one is safe blah blah. So basically you are saying its ok to do that. Now that it is happening to your side, you are saying it proves nothing? That is what I have been saying from the start. I have to say, Hucbold, you are a walking contradiction. Can you even keep track of the things you say? I have been at war with many people and several alliances, and I recall the people I warred with in the past having more honor and integrity. Guess that is gone now.
Fiona |
Please be specific - who are we talking about? I'm happy to respond to specific allegations but ...
So what newb did we attack?
Who said 'Its war etc'
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Posted By: Fiona
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 18:05
I don't want to waste anymore time on you Huc. You have implied you have spies. Ask them for reports.
Cheers Fiona
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Posted By: Hucbold
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2017 at 22:39
Fiona wrote:
I don't want to waste anymore time on you Huc. You have implied you have spies. Ask them for reports.
Cheers Fiona |
So you throw out an accusation and when asked for clarification you refuse. In other words the accusation is rubbish.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 07:19
Day 25. Here are updated stats, with VALOR having surrendered and exited the conflict.
Current Stats
Grand Alliance
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
6,303 |
75 |
613 |
10,776,639 |
69,316,067 |
4,741,729 |
2,170,991 |
14,248,379 |
Unbow |
6,531 |
56 |
492 |
8,393,163 |
23,524,298 |
1,083,716 |
840,635 |
13,621,656 |
EE |
5,318 |
60 |
467 |
8,163,171 |
47,720,716 |
4,484,388 |
2,151,750 |
13,629,541 |
mCrow |
5,025 |
63 |
464 |
7,278,571 |
65,498,052 |
3,074,330 |
1,469,528 |
6,525,642 |
Storm |
3,248 |
30 |
282 |
5,136,801 |
35,994,028 |
2,859,000 |
1,908,063 |
11,144,278 |
Hell |
2,167 |
28 |
197 |
3,131,193 |
11,975,919 |
1,855,067 |
181,308 |
2,167,181 |
HoMa |
1,053 |
5 |
96 |
1,520,303 |
2,184,596 |
39,976 |
5,164 |
91,076 |
eCrow |
904 |
10 |
81 |
1,581,722 |
39,723,815 |
3,092,171 |
329,566 |
9,913,798 |
TEA |
660 |
8 |
52 |
678,440 |
917,109 |
37,979 |
18,251 |
934 |
Bane |
734 |
13 |
94 |
1,600,799 |
3,908,156 |
488,318 |
30,698 |
600,089 |
TROUT |
443 |
9 |
54 |
731,261 |
1,538,630 |
267,302 |
4,915 |
313,380 |
SV |
22 |
3 |
7 |
8,110 |
14,556,103 |
2,850,052 |
228,821 |
44,218 |
WOT |
2 |
1 |
2 |
2,316 |
25,419,879 |
2,773,639 |
852,608 |
6,264,454 |
|
32,410 |
361 |
2,901 |
49,002,489 |
342,277,368 |
27,647,667 |
10,192,298 |
78,564,626 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
3,553 |
42 |
327 |
4,642,352 |
24,012,032 |
1,979,719 |
1,959,219 |
6,867,756 |
SIN |
2,836 |
22 |
177 |
2,682,443 |
58,806,893 |
2,747,465 |
2,102,661 |
41,925,992 |
TA2IN |
1,832 |
13 |
106 |
1,313,358 |
8,465,541 |
503,957 |
896,920 |
8,414,783 |
300 |
1,149 |
7 |
63 |
889,595 |
6,975,855 |
183,080 |
167,369 |
4,750,975 |
|
9,370 |
84 |
673 |
9,527,748 |
98,260,321 |
5,414,221 |
5,126,169 |
61,959,506 |
Numeric Delta
Grand Alliance
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-493 |
-4 |
-36 |
-954,314 |
1,828,479 |
81,959 |
264,400 |
1,872,698 |
Unbow |
-393 |
0 |
-10 |
-301,766 |
450,739 |
82,773 |
17,145 |
202,294 |
EE |
525 |
1 |
32 |
601,432 |
722,016 |
116,675 |
38,415 |
124,844 |
mCrow |
183 |
3 |
27 |
450,382 |
901,018 |
78,809 |
82,028 |
87,178 |
Storm |
-143 |
-3 |
-9 |
-162,540 |
339,235 |
28,227 |
96,808 |
37,536 |
Hell |
67 |
-1 |
4 |
53,036 |
468,785 |
36,270 |
28,785 |
29,640 |
HoMa |
-468 |
-2 |
-28 |
-538,141 |
980,041 |
14,416 |
250 |
71,416 |
eCrow |
-303 |
-3 |
-25 |
-302,798 |
47,169 |
2,590 |
170 |
11,263 |
TEA |
43 |
1 |
6 |
44,263 |
152,424 |
9,830 |
460 |
201 |
Bane |
-12 |
-1 |
-2 |
-16,537 |
30,343 |
7,456 |
0 |
3,140 |
TROUT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2,636 |
16,112 |
2,082 |
0 |
0 |
SV |
-4 |
0 |
-3 |
-12,874 |
79 |
446 |
0 |
2,149 |
WOT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
-998 |
-9 |
-44 |
-1,137,221 |
5,936,440 |
461,533 |
528,461 |
2,442,359 |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
241 |
-6 |
-22 |
-135,255 |
1,563,272 |
95,047 |
122,065 |
366,295 |
SIN |
100 |
-2 |
-11 |
-12,878 |
873,240 |
42,910 |
57,422 |
863,113 |
TA2IN |
-170 |
-3 |
-19 |
-154,442 |
2,517,965 |
32,872 |
32,458 |
1,641,728 |
300 |
14 |
0 |
4 |
-24,638 |
846,671 |
17,608 |
46,810 |
173,529 |
|
185 |
-11 |
-48 |
-327,213 |
5,801,148 |
188,437 |
258,755 |
3,044,665 |
Percentage Delta
Grand Alliance
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-7% |
-5% |
-6% |
-8% |
3% |
2% |
14% |
15% |
Unbow |
-6% |
0% |
-2% |
-3% |
2% |
8% |
2% |
2% |
EE |
11% |
2% |
7% |
8% |
2% |
3% |
2% |
1% |
mCrow |
4% |
5% |
6% |
7% |
1% |
3% |
6% |
1% |
Storm |
-4% |
-9% |
-3% |
-3% |
1% |
1% |
5% |
0% |
Hell |
3% |
-3% |
2% |
2% |
4% |
2% |
19% |
1% |
HoMa |
-31% |
-29% |
-23% |
-26% |
81% |
56% |
5% |
363% |
eCrow |
-25% |
-23% |
-24% |
-16% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
TEA |
7% |
14% |
13% |
7% |
20% |
35% |
3% |
27% |
Bane |
-2% |
-7% |
-2% |
-1% |
1% |
2% |
0% |
1% |
TROUT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
1% |
1% |
0% |
0% |
SV |
-15% |
0% |
-30% |
-61% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
5% |
WOT |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
0% |
|
-3% |
-8% |
-4% |
-3% |
2% |
1% |
5% |
3% |
SINdicate
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
LOKI |
7% |
-13% |
-6% |
-3% |
7% |
5% |
7% |
6% |
SIN |
4% |
-8% |
-6% |
0% |
2% |
2% |
3% |
2% |
TA2IN |
-8% |
-19% |
-15% |
-11% |
42% |
7% |
4% |
24% |
300 |
1% |
0% |
7% |
-3% |
14% |
11% |
39% |
4% |
|
2% |
-12% |
-7% |
-3% |
6% |
4% |
5% |
5% |
|
Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 07:27
Day 25 Correction - fixing a spreadsheet error in the Numeric Delta stats. Please ignore my previous post.
Current Stats
Grand Alliance | Land | Mem | Towns | Pop | Atk | Build | Diplo | Def | Aesir | 6,303 | 75 | 613 | 10,776,639 | 69,316,067 | 4,741,729 | 2,170,991 | 14,248,379 | Unbow | 6,531 | 56 | 492 | 8,393,163 | 23,524,298 | 1,083,716 | 840,635 | 13,621,656 | EE | 5,318 | 60 | 467 | 8,163,171 | 47,720,716 | 4,484,388 | 2,151,750 | 13,629,541 | mCrow | 5,025 | 63 | 464 | 7,278,571 | 65,498,052 | 3,074,330 | 1,469,528 | 6,525,642 | Storm | 3,248 | 30 | 282 | 5,136,801 | 35,994,028 | 2,859,000 | 1,908,063 | 11,144,278 | Hell | 2,167 | 28 | 197 | 3,131,193 | 11,975,919 | 1,855,067 | 181,308 | 2,167,181 | HoMa | 1,053 | 5 | 96 | 1,520,303 | 2,184,596 | 39,976 | 5,164 | 91,076 | eCrow | 904 | 10 | 81 | 1,581,722 | 39,723,815 | 3,092,171 | 329,566 | 9,913,798 | TEA | 660 | 8 | 52 | 678,440 | 917,109 | 37,979 | 18,251 | 934 | Bane | 734 | 13 | 94 | 1,600,799 | 3,908,156 | 488,318 | 30,698 | 600,089 | TROUT | 443 | 9 | 54 | 731,261 | 1,538,630 | 267,302 | 4,915 | 313,380 | SV | 22 | 3 | 7 | 8,110 | 14,556,103 | 2,850,052 | 228,821 | 44,218 | WOT | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2,316 | 25,419,879 | 2,773,639 | 852,608 | 6,264,454 | | 32,410 | 361 | 2,901 | 49,002,489 | 342,277,368 | 27,647,667 | 10,192,298 | 78,564,626 |
SINdicate | Land | Mem | Towns | Pop | Atk | Build | Diplo | Def | LOKI | 3,553 | 42 | 327 | 4,642,352 | 24,012,032 | 1,979,719 | 1,959,219 | 6,867,756 | SIN | 2,836 | 22 | 177 | 2,682,443 | 58,806,893 | 2,747,465 | 2,102,661 | 41,925,992 | TA2IN | 1,832 | 13 | 106 | 1,313,358 | 8,465,541 | 503,957 | 896,920 | 8,414,783 | 300 | 1,149 | 7 | 63 | 889,595 | 6,975,855 | 183,080 | 167,369 | 4,750,975 | | 9,370 | 84 | 673 | 9,527,748 | 98,260,321 | 5,414,221 | 5,126,169 | 61,959,506 |
Numeric Delta
Grand Alliance
|
Land |
Mem |
Towns |
Pop |
Atk |
Build |
Diplo |
Def |
Aesir |
-493 |
-4 |
-36 |
-954,314 |
1,828,479 |
81,959 |
264,400 |
1,872,698 |
Unbow |
-393 |
0 |
-10 |
-301,766 |
450,739 |
82,773 |
17,145 |
202,294 |
EE |
525 |
1 |
32 |
601,432 |
722,016 |
116,675 |
38,415 |
124,844 |
mCrow |
183 |
3 |
27 |
450,382 |
901,018 |
78,809 |
82,028 |
87,178 |
Storm |
-143 |
-3 |
-9 |
-162,540 |
339,235 |
28,227 |
96,808 |
37,536 |
Hell |
67 |
-1 |
4 |
53,036 |
468,785 |
36,270 |
28,785 |
29,640 |
HoMa |
-468 |
-2 |
-28 |
-538,141 |
980,041 |
14,416 |
250 |
71,416 |
eCrow |
-303 |
-3 |
-25 |
-302,798 |
47,169 |
2,590 |
170 |
11,263 |
TEA |
43 |
1 |
6 |
44,263 |
152,424 |
9,830 |
460 |
201 |
Bane |
-12 |
-1 |
-2 |
-16,537 |
30,343 |
7,456 |
0 |
3,140 |
TROUT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
2,636 |
16,112 |
2,082 |
0 |
0 |
SV |
-4 |
0 |
-3 |
-12,874 |
79 |
446 |
0 |
2,149 |
WOT |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
|
-1,149 |
-31 |
-111 |
-1,372,973 |
5,277,411 |
190,260 |
507,116 |
2,434,835 |
SINdicate | Land | Mem | Towns | Pop | Atk | Build | Diplo | Def | LOKI | 241 | -6 | -22 | -135,255 | 1,563,272 | 95,047 | 122,065 | 366,295 | SIN | 100 | -2 | -11 | -12,878 | 873,240 | 42,910 | 57,422 | 863,113 | TA2IN | -170 | -3 | -19 | -154,442 | 2,517,965 | 32,872 | 32,458 | 1,641,728 | 300 | 14 | 0 | 4 | -24,638 | 846,671 | 17,608 | 46,810 | 173,529 | | 185 | -11 | -48 | -327,213 | 5,801,148 | 188,437 | 258,755 | 3,044,665 |
Percentage Delta
Grand Alliance | Land | Mem | Towns | Pop | Atk | Build | Diplo | Def | Aesir | -7% | -5% | -6% | -8% | 3% | 2% | 14% | 15% | Unbow | -6% | 0% | -2% | -3% | 2% | 8% | 2% | 2% | EE | 11% | 2% | 7% | 8% | 2% | 3% | 2% | 1% | mCrow | 4% | 5% | 6% | 7% | 1% | 3% | 6% | 1% | Storm | -4% | -9% | -3% | -3% | 1% | 1% | 5% | 0% | Hell | 3% | -3% | 2% | 2% | 4% | 2% | 19% | 1% | HoMa | -31% | -29% | -23% | -26% | 81% | 56% | 5% | 363% | eCrow | -25% | -23% | -24% | -16% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | TEA | 7% | 14% | 13% | 7% | 20% | 35% | 3% | 27% | Bane | -2% | -7% | -2% | -1% | 1% | 2% | 0% | 1% | TROUT | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 1% | 1% | 0% | 0% | SV | -15% | 0% | -30% | -61% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 5% | WOT | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | 0% | | -3% | -8% | -4% | -3% | 2% | 1% | 5% | 3% |
SINdicate | Land | Mem | Towns | Pop | Atk | Build | Diplo | Def | LOKI | 7% | -13% | -6% | -3% | 7% | 5% | 7% | 6% | SIN | 4% | -8% | -6% | 0% | 2% | 2% | 3% | 2% | TA2IN | -8% | -19% | -15% | -11% | 42% | 7% | 4% | 24% | 300 | 1% | 0% | 7% | -3% | 14% | 11% | 39% | 4% | | 2% | -12% | -7% | -3% | 6% | 4% | 5% | 5% |
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Posted By: Neytiri
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 16:09
I don't know of a better way. I just thought I would weigh in with something productive. I applaud your efforts to somehow score the conflict, actually. I like it better than the traditional way of comparing cities lost.How are you getting the charts you're posting here? Is there a way to dump them into a spreadsheet?
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2018 at 19:24
Neytiri wrote:
How are you getting the charts you're posting here? Is there a way to dump them into a spreadsheet? |
Steps to recreating these stats: 1. Go to the Alliance Leaderboard page and copy all stats related to a given alliance. 2. Go to a pre-defined spreadsheet and paste that data. 3. Repeat this for all alliances on each side. 4. Build formulas in the spreadsheet to sum stats for each side. 6. Using the initial data as the baseline, create an identical section in your spreadsheet for current stats. 7. Build formulas to calculate the numeric and percentage deltas between current and baseline.
Ah heck, I'll just move my process from Excel to a Google Sheet. Here's a link to it:
http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing
Oooo...maybe I'll just post the link to this sheet instead of pasting and reformatting it here! Noice.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2018 at 21:35
Day 27. I've added SAINT as a newcomer to the Grand Alliance after BayNight's successful siege on 300's Ten Kulch. If anyone knows of additional participants in the war, please let me know.
Also, I'm getting 500 Internal Server Error messages when I try to post updated stats on the forums. It appears to be related to the size of the tables. That said, I'm going to just paste the link to the Google Sheet here for the time being, and going forward I will archive the previous "current stats" on a separate tab to allow for a view of historic data for those that enjoy it. Also, if you like the data in spreadsheet form, hit that "Thanks" link above or drop me a line in game so I know to keep doing it. :)
Here's the link...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
If anyone knows the workaround that will allow for pasting large tables from Google Sheets into this buggy forum, lemme know! :)
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 02:37
Day 28.
It is notable that 300 has four fewer cities than last update - a decrease of 6.5% of their cities in roughly 24 hours. Presumably at least some of those are in exodus. I've seen sieges by BayNights and Hucbold in GC, and multiple Legendary Battles reported outside 300's cities. Insights welcome!
TEA also lost a member and six cities, an 8.8% decrease in their towns.
I've also noticed that WoT has been inactive for weeks, and SV for days. If they disband, I will obviously remove them from the stats.
Lots happening!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
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Posted By: Jadefae
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2018 at 20:14
Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2018 at 07:36
Day 29.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
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Posted By: digiosox
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 05:43
I was thinking about the stats.
Population, Build, Diplo, magic, tech, quest, and trade is irrelevant so maybe get rid of them so the report seems less confusing.
percentage delta isn't much help when the starting numbers are so different.
Attack and Defense numbers are correlated as they are fighting each other (assuming the participants are not engaged in anything big with a third party).
For final stats: Maybe look at the ratio of attack growth to defense growth between the opposing sides. Change in number of players and cities to both sides. (the true indicator)
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2018 at 06:54
Day 30.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 04:39
Day 31. Major losses taken by the Grand Alliance, with a drop of 6 members, 80 towns, and over 1.2 million population since yesterday's update. That's a loss of 2.7% of their towns and 2.4% of their population in roughly 24 hours. Nearly all these losses are confined to Storm, HoMa, and to a lesser extent TEA, and seem to be driven by players exiting those alliances.
Meanwhile, 300 appears to be suffering notable losses of it's own (albeit at a much smaller scale), with a drop of 3 towns (5% of total) and 15k population (2%) over the same time period.
Insights welcome!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 05:17
Mafro wrote:
Meanwhile, 300 appears to be suffering notable losses of it's own (albeit at a much smaller scale), with a drop of 3 towns (5% of total) and 15k population (2%) over the same time period. |
That was due to a repositioning of our mobile battle group.
Several weeks ago, we made a 14 city incursion into southern Elgea. Seven players sent two weaponized cities each. After considerable resistance on the Tallimar beachhead (codename: Omaha), we broke an enemy siege against Tinkinator, then scored a legendary raze against EE, and drove off another two 20000+ pop cities. We repositioned our forward cities for another strike, but unfortunately EE removed two 20000+ pop cities from the jungles, and shifted a smaller town to block a mountain adjacent to a fourth legendary (Nordic N0.07).
At that point, the shock had apparently worn off. We were deep in enemy territory with over 200 hostile cities in striking distance. Unbow besieged two forward positions. My support outpost of Thermopylae was destroyed. Kopis was extracted under heavy fire; Lake Black strolled out unscathed. However, these battles gave us time to reposition the Turalia primary cluster (codename: Waterloo) of the mobile battle group. The fleet is now regrouping in friendly territory, preparing for our next set of battles.
It was a very exciting adventure. Easily the most Illyriad fun I've in years, probably since the SIN-Unbow war. It has been a long time since anyone fought toe-to-toe with us, and I haven't lost a war wagon since the SIN-TUF war. I was particularly interested to see the enemy attempt a settlement directly adjacent to Kopis, apparently in an effort to provide siege support. It was challenging trying to keep those forward positions alive so far out from the main battle group, which was in turn 2000 squares from our homeland in Fellandire.
We chased off 4 legendary EE cities, razed 1 legendary, and lost a war wagon, before retreating in a barrage of a couple million enemy troops. We invaded to fight EE, and encountered an old enemy (Unbow) and new enemies. The fighting was non-stop, there probably wasn't a day on the front lines that I didn't have dozens of incoming from all ranges. Most of them little elites, but still exciting stuff. I'm sure it will become a Warmongering in Illyriad article when I have spare time. I really hope our adversaries enjoyed the clashes as much as we did. In the heat of battle, besieged on both sides, I told my team, "Days like this are why I play the game."
What does that mean statistically? Hard to say. When we weaponize cities, we reposition and risk them in a way that's completely different than permanent cities. At our roster size, that will cause a lot of population drops and city moves (as a percentage, anyway), but that's typically the start or finish of fighting, not really permanent asset growth or destruction. It more indicates that we are deploying forces or bringing them back, since weaponized cities (a.k.a. war wagons) are really more like complex soldiers or battle machines, which are themselves carriers of other units. You might view it more as the U.S. moving a fleet around the oceans, completely with carriers, destroyers, aircraft, reconnaissance, support ships, supply tenders.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 05:22
Ten Kulch wrote:
That was due to a repositioning of our mobile battle group.
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Fascinating insights, Ten Kulch...thanks for sharing!
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 05:27
Mafro wrote:
Major losses taken by the Grand Alliance, with a drop of 6 members, 80 towns, and over 1.2 million population since yesterday's update. That's a loss of 2.7% of their towns and 2.4% of their population in roughly 24 hours. Nearly all these losses are confined to Storm, HoMa, and to a lesser extent TEA, and seem to be driven by players exiting those alliances. |
I just wanted to comment on this particular point. You can't really infer anything like that on a day-to-day basis. During a war, sometimes accounts hop between alliances within a coalition. It's the moving average that's probably relevant.
Even so, many Grand Alliance rosters have loads of inactive accounts. If they kick a dead account, or a non-fighter sneaks out the back door, that probably means nothing for the overall war effort. There's no real statistic that tracks the movement of core players. By the numbers, a core fighter surrendering looks the same as a gold farm fleeing to a training alliance, but strategically the effect is a magnitude apart.
If someone had a script to track who actually left or joined, that would make it much easier to provide insightful commentary.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 05:42
Ten Kulch wrote:
I just wanted to comment on this particular point. You can't really infer anything like that on a day-to-day basis. |
There was no inference in my post, just a reading of stats. When I say "losses taken by the Grand Alliance", I'm literally just referring to the decrease in the sum of Members, Towns, and Population across all the alliances that are being tracked as a part of the GA.
I don't mean to imply that those cities were destroyed, those players driven to surrender, or anything of the like...I have no insights into the actions or reasons behind the stats, just the stats themselves. Thankfully, sometimes those that do have insights share them. ;)
Ten Kulch wrote:
During a war, sometimes accounts hop between alliances within a coalition. It's the moving average that's probably relevant.
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I agree, and only called these losses out because there was no gain in any other alliances being tracked as part of GA to offset the losses. It's entirely possible these players are continuing the fight from another alliance or from no alliance...or not.
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Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2018 at 15:09
Another thing to note is that even with a war ongoing there is a bit of action from all sides in the tournament that just started. I would expect some of the alliance movement is due to regional localities taking or losing members in order to strategically hold or compete for certain tournament sqrs.
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Posted By: Shellarose
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 00:45
Just my opinion, but I was at a loss when I started back since my divorce. I haven't played durin it, (had a sitter)...but yet, since I have been back, this "Sindicate, 300, Ta2in, and Loki have been bullying people and instigatin problems and this game has never been the same. The "Older Illy" is no more a place to come to play to enjoy. I guess, one would suppose and say, "It's a war game" ...sure, I will not disagree with that, but this game offers so much more than that...well at least I thought so. Now, it seems nothing but a bully game which I do not want to take part in anymore. I will be abandoning my account shortly and I feel no remorse except for the wonderful friends that I have met online over the years. For those who would like to keep in touch, just send me a mail and I can see what I can do. As for our enemies in red and also their allies in yellow who have been helping them on the side, please do not take this as a win on your side, but rather an evilness you have ensured in the land of Illyriad. It is indeed a game now which I will spread the word how horrible it is to be involved in such playings. Cheating, bullying, lying, bragging, boasting and showing off for those who do not know what is goin on is nothing but a frontal facial facade shown as a backstabbing bendover to Illyriad.
You razed one of my cities in elgea, you chased us out of the broken lands I exodused 12 cities, but yet, what did the DICKtate do? Brag, boast how horrible we were, laugh and point fingers, yet, besides the successful cities that have been razed, seems that they run off under duress successfully and hide when things were gettin too tough for them. So they rethink their strategy to gain a better momentum at their loss of initiative in the first place into Elgea. Now they bring their cities up into Elgea to claim victories of their same bullyin, cheating and bragging in which many people will just leave due to it ....not because of the war, but simply because of what the DICKtate represent. So do not take this as a win, take it as just chasing people away from the game....you claim these cities as your gain, but in reality it's just a matter of time before people realize who they are playin with. Good people seem to have left the game and all that is left will be your own egos.
I will end with this, Illyriad WAS a good game to play. Now, it's just a time waster. Am sure, the devs will continue on with this charade in order to gain in their endeavor, but good people will be scarce and the vets will no longer be participatin to claim it is a decent game. Fightin for a good cause, yes, but when you have more evil than good in the game, of course the evil will prevail. (of course again, they will brag about that as well) It's only a matter of time. I will be looking for another game to play, a game that will not give me a reason to quit hopefully. I give all good tidings to my friends in this game and wish them good luck in their game.
It's just a sad game now
Shella aka Rose and Quin
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Posted By: NORDIC1
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 01:11
It has come time for me to also go my way, I have lost interest in this game for over a year now Illyriad was an escape for me as well to have fun but now it is nothing more than a trap. This game has become a job and is slowly turning into Evony. Soon bots will control it all as long as you pay for the prestige.
I bid you all a farewell I will be Abandoning my accounts by end of this week
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Posted By: Sauron
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 01:22
rip
yall were good opponents, even if you were just lieken and huck's meatsheilds. hope you guys will actually abandon ingame instead of handing passwords to your friends to add to their growing list of permasats and multi accounts
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 01:27
Shella, tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back!
I suppose we shouldn't mention the courageous things that you have done, like slandering my alliance from an anonymous terraforming account (conspicuously in excess of your two account limit). Or fleeing at the first sign of danger, despite outnumbering us about 200 cities to 14. Or letting Unbow do all the fighting in Tallimar, even though you're a leadership player in Eagles Eyrie, the alliance we came there to fight. Or using another terraforming account to block off your SW jungle on 12. Camelias (how many terraforming accounts do you have , anyway?).
If you don't like the new direction in Illyriad, that's fine. But there's no need to rage quit in such a dramatic fashion. Good luck in your next game.
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Posted By: Shellarose
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 01:53
I'm not rage quitting, and I did nothin illegal in the game of illyriad--NEVER HAVE--Nothin dramatic about my quittin the game...it's been over a year and some now that your Dicktate have been pushin people around...You speak of slanderin? pft lol that's somethin yall are famous for lol
lol you know nothing about our terra accts...so accuse all you want. I never made one nor slandered from one ...where in the world did you ever come up with that one lool
I will remember to never argue with one that likes to argue...it's not a win for either side, rather a loss for Illyriad.
Have fun playin with yourselves.
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Posted By: Malek
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 02:15
You made the quitting a dramatic act.
As for slandering, maybe you should take a closer look at the people you are confedded with. You have Hucbold, the leader of the so called "resistance'", "GA" or whatever you want to call yourselves, who went out of his way to continue label people us as terrorists and nazis. Added to that his latest concoction of identifying tcol as "Ethnic Cleansers". You then also have a player in your confederate who told another player to "go kill yourself".
As for the current war, apart from mcrow, ecrow and unbow ( we were taking spots), all alliances I am at war with my declarations have been reactionary from other alliances troops hitting my alliance troops.
Good luck in the future.
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 02:52
Shellarose wrote:
lol you know nothing about our terra accts...so accuse all you want. I never made one nor slandered from one ...where in the world did you ever come up with that one lool |
Yes, I have quite the imagination.
On Nov 24th, a 1 city player named Sindee came into GC to insult [300], shortly after The Phalanx triple sieged you in southern Tallimar. Sindee sounded just like you, right down to the intentional grammatical errors. Then on Nov 25th, the Sindeee account was abandoned with a city named "shellas terra" under siege by you at [-32|832] in Wolgast.
I'm going to throw out a crazy theory. You insulted us on your terraforming account because you were too chicken to do it from Shellarose or Shellaquin. Nuts, right?
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Posted By: Eros
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 03:09
You do have a vivid imagination
Sindee was my terra account, nothing to do with Shella, so go ahead and apologize
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Posted By: Elmindra
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 03:12
Ten, given past forum posts I am somewhat disappointed in you accusing someone of cheating. Shella does not terraform, especially since she has a main and an alt that is quite public whom is whom. Besides this, EE does have a number of players who maintain only 1 main account and sell terraforms on the side which is quite legal and allowed by the TOS and Illy mods. It is quite typical to name a terraform after the person who requested it, and given the fact that many towns were in less than ideal locations it is not surprising that the 300 assault on Tallimar prompted players to request and purchase terraforms to strategically move their towns.
It is not uncommon for players to come into GC and talk smack, heck I see Snaggle and Snot come into GC to do nothing but taunt and brag on a daily basis. Regardless, I may not expect much from some but I did expect somewhat better given your reputation.
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Posted By: Bill Cipher
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 03:28
I'm Pretty sure its obvious SIN is making the game worse for everyone
'nough said
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Posted By: Tink XX
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 03:40
Shellarose wrote:
Cheating, bullying, lying, bragging, boasting and showing off for those who do not know what is goin on is nothing but a frontal facial facade shown as a backstabbing bendover to Illyriad. |
Look Shella, I can see where you're coming from when you're saying that we are bragging, boasting and showing off. I like to trash talk every once in a while, although I've seen a lot of trash talk from Hucbold in GC and everyone was bragging when Ten Kulch's city got razed (mostly people who didn't actually participate in the razing for some reason). That kind of thing is part of the fun in the game for some people.
I can even almost empathize when you say "bullying", which is basically your interpretation of our aggressive gameplay style. We are not actually bullying anyone, as in, we are not singling you out and trying to make you feel bad or intimidate you or apply psychological pressure outside of the context of the game. But we've been through this argument with AJQTRZ many times, it's boring to repeat. Fine, if you think we're bullies so be it.
Now, you are tossing "lying" and "cheating" on this pile of accusations. Where did that come from? Did we use terraforming accounts to block off our cities? Did we attack you from a neutral alliance? Did we have a hundred permasats that started dumping troops on you when things got heated? We're just a handful of players and we've been playing as straight of a game as we could, facing a force 10-20 times bigger than ourselves.
What did we lie to you about? I freely admit we have biases and perhaps sometimes the narratives we tell show these biases, just like everyone else's. But I'm pretty sure we haven't lied or tried to intentionally mislead anyone about the state of affairs in this war.
I should perhaps feel insulted but meh, ad hom attacks seem to be GA's favorite pastime. Always followed by flouncing off and pointing out how nasty the game has become due to these terrible SINdicate people. Good luck finding your new game.
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Posted By: Bill Cipher
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 03:43
you practically just said she was right
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 04:33
Eros wrote:
Sindee was my terra account, nothing to do with Shella, so go ahead and apologize |
So you admit that you came into GC using an anonymous, disposable account just to troll me? How brave.
Shella, I apologize for expressing a belief that you were hiding behind a sock puppet account to troll me. Apparently that was your friend Eros. Friend being a relative term, since the shrill tone of the trolling suggested that you were a prime target for the next round of sieges. Maybe he can terraform you two new spots for that pair of jungle cities you moved.
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Posted By: Eros
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 05:04
Ten Kulch wrote:
Eros wrote:
Sindee was my terra account, nothing to do with Shella, so go ahead and apologize |
So you admit that you came into GC using an anonymous, disposable account just to troll me? How brave.
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Yes, it's all about you Ten Kulch...
It's was terra account, there is another running right now, there will be many more. I make lots of gold/scraps, I meet good people and share what I know with the noobs and alliances I visit, trolling you occasionally from left feild is just a little bonus ;)
Respect for the apology though
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Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2018 at 05:31
You whiners need to get a new tune. This same bleating from you sheep has been around since the time I was in H? so long ago. You just need someone to blame for your problems. We are happy to be that someone, just do not use us as an excuse if you do not want to keep playing. Looking at how few we are and how big the map is it is clear you could easily live far from our influence. You choose to play close to us and thus the blame is all yours.
------------- Kaggen is my human half
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2018 at 06:27
Day 33.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 06:51
Day 34. Looks like TEA is, ahem, swirling the drain.
Introducing today, courtesy of Tensmoor, the new http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Cowards & Heroes Tracker! This new script from Tens details exactly who has joined and left any alliances participating in the Grand SIN war since December 6th, the baseline against which the data I've been posting is being measured. Enjoy...and don't forget to drop Tens a note expressing your appreciation so you don't disappoint your mother.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Cowards & Heroes Tracker!
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Posted By: Dabrelis
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2018 at 21:17
I am a new guy, so thanks Mafro for keeping this info in forums, to see what is going on in big picture.
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Posted By: Celebrant
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2018 at 09:24
Cowards? Heroes?
Someone need long, loooong rest.
Love you all.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 05:26
Day 36. TEA and HoMa continue to shrink, while Aesir and EE see growth. 300 recovers 4 cities with 9k population, presumably from exos that have reached their destination.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Cowards & Heroes!
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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 06:12
Exodus arrivals, and also one replacement capture.
Can I make a suggestion? The cowards and heroes page might make more sense if it had a section where departures and arrivals were listed chronologically. That would make it easier to see who is jumping among alliances, and who has truly left or joined permanently.
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Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 09:49
Ten Kulch wrote:
Exodus arrivals, and also one replacement capture.
Can I make a suggestion? The cowards and heroes page might make more sense if it had a section where departures and arrivals were listed chronologically. That would make it easier to see who is jumping among alliances, and who has truly left or joined permanently. |
Since the tables are produced by doing a straight comparison of two player datafiles (baseline dated file and latest datafile) that is not currently possible. To do that would require checking all the intervening datafiles to see which alliance (if any) a player was in at the time the datafile was produced.While that is certainly possible the load it would put on my server would break my usage limits and end with my account there being suspended. The scripts to produce these two pages take about 3 minutes to run and push the usage limits for my server account.
I did look at making another script that shows all changes to player accounts (name changes, alliance and role, race as well as new and deleted accounts) between two adjacent datafiles however it took over 8 mins to run which would again cause problems with my server account.
I am however looking at creating a series of scripts that can be run from a USB drive (with XAMPP on it) that will allow individuals to see the daily changes in all the datafiles using their own machines thereby not putting any strain on my server account. All that would be required is that they download the datafiles each day. The reasoning being that I would like EVERYONE to have full access to the data contained in the files. When (if ever) I'll manage to get it all done I don't know as currently I'm more focused on trying to resolve health issues.
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Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 10:45
As an example of the data produced by comparing the player datafiles for two consecutive days:
https://durctools2.dewt.me.uk/html/ModifiedPlayers.html" rel="nofollow - Modified Players https://durctools2.dewt.me.uk/html/DeletedPlayers.html" rel="nofollow - Deleted Players https://durctools2.dewt.me.uk/html/AddedPlayers.html" rel="nofollow - Added Players
These files were made using XAMPP on a USB drive plugged into my (very slow and low powered) laptop and took a total of 23 minutes to produce.
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Posted By: Celebrant
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2018 at 18:10
When can we expect the establishment of a vicious military court? What Penalties Are You Foreseeing?
Developers, stop this rampage in all segments of the game, starting with GC
I love you all.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2018 at 08:22
Day 37.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Cowards & Heroes!
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2018 at 05:02
Day 38. As always, informed insights welcome!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Cowards & Heroes!
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 06:29
Day 39. EE and mCrow each lost a member in the past 24 hours. In the case of EE that coincides with a drop of 24 towns, 5% of their total.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Cowards & Heroes!
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Posted By: Tensmoor
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 06:56
One thing to note is that there can be many reasons for leaving an alliance and it may only be a temporary move. For instance if they want to siege an abandoned account that belongs to the same account or one with a NAP/Confed. As far as I'm aware there is no way to tell from the datafiles why somebody leaves an alliance.
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2018 at 07:42
Tensmoor wrote:
One thing to note is that there can be many reasons for leaving an alliance and it may only be a temporary move. For instance if they want to siege an abandoned account that belongs to the same account or one with a NAP/Confed. As far as I'm aware there is no way to tell from the datafiles why somebody leaves an alliance.
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Actually, in this case it appears to be two accounts, Shellarose and Shellaquin, that were both in EE and both abandoned. They had a combined total of 25 cities. At the same time it appears a new player joined EE with a single city, resulting in a net loss of 1 member and 24 cities.
You're alliance membership diff file is pretty useful! ;)
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Posted By: digiosox
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2018 at 00:35
A lot of old time players are constantly talking about leaving the game "any day now" and use combat and siege as an excuse to stop waffling and finally quit.
They generally justify their exit by badmouthing their toxic opponents and throw in some references to real world evil people/actions in a feeble attempt to inject excitement into their otherwise dull abandonment...
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Posted By: OssianII
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2018 at 11:34
digiosox wrote:
A lot of old time players are constantly talking about leaving the game "any day now" and use combat and siege as an excuse to stop waffling and finally quit.
They generally justify their exit by badmouthing their toxic opponents and throw in some references to real world evil people/actions in a feeble attempt to inject excitement into their otherwise dull abandonment...
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Well you could be right except this post isn't exactly a bundle fun now. Is it?
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2018 at 15:31
Day 43. Over the past 3 days...:- Aesir dropped 6 towns and 150k pop
- Unbow picked up a member and 2 towns
- EE added a couple towns
- mCrow added 4 members, 10 towns, and 45k pop
- HoMa showed a breath of life and added a town
- Loki dropped 2 towns
- 300 added a member, 5 towns, and 11k pop
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Cowards & Heroes!
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2018 at 05:40
Day 47. Over the past 4 days...:- Aesir added 2 members and 7 towns, but dropped 125k pop
- EE added a couple towns
- mCrow lost 1 member, 9 towns, and 55k pop
- Hell dropped 5 towns and 150k pop
- HoMa lost a town
- eCrow lost 1 member, 7 towns, and 147k pop
- Loki lost 2 members, 10 towns, and 93k pop
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Cowards & Heroes!
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Posted By: Mafro
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2018 at 06:32
Day 50. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ur6u7YCPj-7Sq4z1reZVZwHaN51IzgWdkDaf2b3jGcQ/edit?usp=sharing" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Stats
http://durctools2.dewt.co.uk/html/memberTracker1.html" rel="nofollow - Grand SIN War Cowards & Heroes!
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