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The Phalanx [300] declares war on Eagles Eyrie

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Topic: The Phalanx [300] declares war on Eagles Eyrie
Posted By: Ten Kulch
Subject: The Phalanx [300] declares war on Eagles Eyrie
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2017 at 19:57
The Phalanx [300] has declared war on Eagles Eyrie [EE].

The Phalanx does not comment on hostilities in progress. Our reasons are our own. Suffice to say these grievances are strongly held, enough for us to start flinging boulders at cities. If we believed talking could have resolved these problems, we would have pursued diplomacy first.

This conflict is presently contained in scope. The Phalanx does not endorse annihilating accounts or alliances, nor do we endorse excessive reparations or the punitive loss of cities after surrender.

We recognize that bystanders exist in this particular situation. Zero-penalty surrender terms will be extended to a number of Eagles Eyrie players this evening. Leadership players, ranking players, and players involved directly in our grievances will receive our terms in due time. Eagles Eyrie players launching troops at our camps will immediately be regarded as involved in this dispute. If you are not presently entangled in this war, make that choice very carefully.

This forum post constitutes our formal war declaration against Eagles Eyrie. The Phalanx will issue a system-supported war declaration, if (and only if) the Declare War button suits our tactical needs. Eagles Eyrie is free to push the button at their own initiative, risking all the potential consequences of that choice.

Uninvolved parties are politely reminded that discretion is a virtue.

Ten Kulch, Tinkinator, and the 300 team



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Posted By: SOKAPOPIS
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 15:41
very nice fumes .
nice words to hide what i would call an unprovoked aggression . 


Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2017 at 20:25
Originally posted by SOKAPOPIS SOKAPOPIS wrote:

nice words to hide what i would call an unprovoked aggression .

There is really nothing to say. If I believed that words would have resolved this, then I would have privately outlined all our complaints for Hath, and we would have talked it through. Really. The Phalanx does not go to war unprovoked, nor does it go to war for gain, revenge, personal grudges, or gleeful destruction. However, I am not obligated to air all our grievances in a public forum where words can be twisted out of context, and every random Illyrian can nitpick and troll the thread.

Suffice to say this:

There is an existing negative history between EE and the SINdicate. The Phalanx has been convinced, through multiple negative EE incidents against 300, that there are certain hardliners in EE who hold a permanent grudge against anyone in our camp. They are never, ever going to let it drop. EE launched a devastating surprise attack during the server war, and showed no quarter to many of our friends. Because of that precedent (itself needless and destructive), we view the EE actions against 300 as an intention to repeat history. We are not inclined to allow a threat to grow just over the border in Gremont, nor do we intend to forever look over our shoulder for signs of treachery in our own backyard. This is a preemptive strike to clear out specific problem accounts, with all due efforts made to allow innocent bystanders to make a painless exit.

Yes, we targeted Hath in a lightning attack, but as the leader of Eagles Eyrie, we are holding him personally responsible for the actions of his ranking players (past and present). This war is not about punishing anyone or avenging past wrongs. It is a recognition that we will never have regional security while that specific cadre of players is left to fester--players who inflicted grevious harm upon us in the past, who ostensibly moved to Gremont to continue that tension, and who have now taken multiple threatening actions against 300. We will not wait idly until they are presented with an opportune moment to strike.

Those specific players have the option to voluntarily exodus back across the Bitter Sea. We are not interested in destroying accounts or cities, but only in achieving regional security. Any refusal to leave will result in the use of precision force.


Posted By: SOKAPOPIS
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 19:06
If i read you right i can state that you major grievance is that you have been hit during a war . That s at least ridiculous to remain polite . Other than that all i can see is paranoia crisis or simple lies .
There was never ever any threatening action against 300 .
This is pure unprovoked aggression , propaganda wont change that obvious fact .


Posted By: Gragnog
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 19:49
I guess you do not know much of Illy history if you think 300's actions are propaganda and paranoia. Once you actually know what you are talking about perhaps you will better understand the situation. Just because you are new to an alliance does not excuse you for actions that alliance has done in the past. EE was part of the start of a new way of waging war in Illy and now they are paying the price. Past actions of mass destruction are hard to forget, let alone forgive. People left Elgea to get away from those players and start fresh but those destructive alliances decided to follow into BL. Now the tables have turned and you all scream. You sowed the seeds, now reap the hurricane.

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Posted By: SOKAPOPIS
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2017 at 22:58
i have told what needed to be told . I wont go further into a convo wich leads nowhere .
Im an adult , i wont go into who knows history and who writes his own version .Would be endless .
You guys have talent to paint the reality but im sure you already know you will never ever convince anyone else than yourselves .
Regards .
im off .


Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2017 at 03:10
Originally posted by SOKAPOPIS SOKAPOPIS wrote:

If i read you right i can state that you major grievance is that you have been hit during a war .

Then you read it wrong. Since the founding of 300, EE has wronged us numerous times. We were close to declaring war before the tournament over those problems.

Originally posted by SOKAPOPIS SOKAPOPIS wrote:

Other than that all i can see is paranoia crisis or simple lies .There was never ever any threatening action against 300 . This is pure unprovoked aggression , propaganda wont change that obvious fact .

That is a lie.

Let's get something straight. My job is to convince my allies, not my enemies. Our comrades and our allies seem pretty convinced. You can say whatever you want on this forum, but that will not affect reality. Second, you can ask any enemy I have fought in the past, or any student I have taught. I am a very fair opponent, and I am not one to attack people unprovoked.

All I see here is an EE Council member writing big checks with his mouth from the safety of Elgea. There are many warriors in this game who would retaliate by targeting more accounts, spreading the fire of war. 300 is not going to do that, no matter how much you insult us. This is a precision action against demonstrated troublemakers (plus Hath), for the purpose of regional security. The only way this conflict will escalate is when people involve themselves in defending the troublemakers. It will be over as soon as they are uprooted and back on their way to Elgea.

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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2017 at 00:40
I am writing this post to document the current state of the EE-300 war.

Five days ago, Hathaldir and I spoke about surrender terms. He asserted that Eagles Eyrie is resolved to return to Elgea, and that it would be nice if they could exodus in peace, without the threat of further attacks. On behalf of The Phalanx [300], I offered the following surrender plan:
  1. Eagles Eyrie will exodus all Broken Lands cities back to Elgea.
  2. Prior to intercontinental exodus, all departing EE cities will be moved into a containment area.
  3. Hostilities would continue uninterrupted until we received a formal surrender that accepts our terms.

The reason for the second term is that we have had problems with defeated opponents honoring the terms of their surrender. Many players try to drag out their departure, trying to stay and escape notice. A few jump alliances or otherwise play political games, trying to dodge their surrender obligations. Moving cities to a vulnerable containment area removes any incentive for the defeated alliance and players to attempt to remain in the contested areas. When a city has been moved once, demolishing all structures to 12, it is much easier for a player to accept moving it a second time.

In 5 days, we have received no further reply to the surrender terms. Hostilities will therefore continue. We want it made clear that we feel the refusal to surrender is pointless and destructive, especially given that EE has agreed to our core demand.

The Phalanx has restrained its sieges to players who sent troops or who were originally classified as troublemakers. Since we have been at war for over a month, the target list is now expanded to all Eagles Eyrie players currently in the Broken Lands. As EE leadership continues to ignore our terms, we will open the door to individual surrenders on 1 September 2017. No gold, supplies, penalty razes, or other burdensome terms will be applied to surrendering players, beyond the two specified above (clump your cities where we instruct, move back to Elgea from there).

Those who do not surrender: may you meet glory upon the field of battle.

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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2017 at 19:28
I am addressing this post directly to the players of Eagles Eyrie.

Two weeks have passed since Hathaldir and I spoke about surrender terms. Since that time, I have repeated our surrender offer (above) for the public record. A few days ago, I confronted Hath in GC, and he again refused to surrender. There is no question that this refusal is based on pride rather than an acknowledgement of battlefield conditions. Your alliance is in full retreat from Gremont. The Phalanx [300] was prepared to accept a surrender two weeks ago, with no further cities razed. This is a list of razed cities that could have been spared by a formal surrender on 21 August:

DamageTrain [EE], 011 Moonglow F
DamageTrain [EE], 012 Cove
DamageTrain [EE], 007 Yew S
Train Wreck [EE], Volatile
Train Wreck [EE], Combative
Train Wreck [EE], Pugnacious
Nordic1 [EE], No.03
Runak [EE], Stropones

Multiple siege operations are currently in progress against more targets.

Our intention was to remove specific troublemakers from Broken Lands. All of those players have now withdrawn from Gremont (and they had better keep moving towards Elgea). Please understand, the rest of of you will continue to be targeted relentlessly as long as there is no formal surrender. Our intention has always been regional security, not wholesale destruction. Therefore, as Eagles Eyrie leadership (meaning Hath and Alyssa) are unwilling to formally surrender, The Phalanx is opening the door to individual surrenders.

Our terms for individual surrenders are as follows:
  1. You agree to move all your Broken Lands cities back to Elgea.
  2. Prior to intercontinental exodus, your cities will be clumped in a containment area.
  3. You leave Eagles Eyrie until your cities have departed Broken Lands.

Cities targeted by current siege operations will not be spared. That just incentivizes opponents to wait until they are besieged to attempt surrender, which wastes our valuable time. Deserters may be hunted down at our option. If you are done fighting and just want to move back to Elgea in peace, I suggest you accept an individual surrender before you are targeted with a siege.

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Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2017 at 17:25
Add to the list:

Thingol [EE], Ereagor
Thingol [EE], Siladarren
Thingol [EE], Osgiliath
Thingol [EE], Thingol's Folly
Badmuts [EE], Gremont



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Posted By: SOKAPOPIS
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 01:06
Let me state few things since you seem to be very low to understand simple things .
There wont be any individual surrender . You can keep behaving like an criminal , that wont change anything . Our leadership has decided to ignore you cause your conditions are unacceptable and ridiculous wich is common coming form a clown .
You may had some credit for some of us before all this happened . All that credit is gone and you are now in the douches bag .
I know you need a game to feel more important than you really are but that s not our case . We play for fun and wont concede anything to a no life , full of aggressivty and full of himself .
Im ready to recieve your diplos or siege attempts . Like any idiot who thinks he s smart , you are very predicable .


Posted By: Bulani
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 01:25
Oh snap.... Me thinks TK and Tink will like destroying you.


Posted By: Stukahh
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 01:43
Originally posted by SOKAPOPIS SOKAPOPIS wrote:

Let me state few things since you seem to be very low to understand simple things .
There wont be any individual surrender . You can keep behaving like an criminal , that wont change anything . Our leadership has decided to ignore you cause your conditions are unacceptable and ridiculous wich is common coming form a clown .
You may had some credit for some of us before all this happened . All that credit is gone and you are now in the douches bag .
I know you need a game to feel more important than you really are but that s not our case . We play for fun and wont concede anything to a no life , full of aggressivty and full of himself .
Im ready to recieve your diplos or siege attempts . Like any idiot who thinks he s smart , you are very predicable .

Doesn't EE have someone in their ranks who can construct a sentence properly to be their representative in the public forums?  

That post was painful to read.

I hope 300 carves you up for referring them as douche bags.  I have lots of friends in that alliance and I do NOT take too kindly to EE speaking about 300 in that manner.

Real bad form by EE.

Stukahh


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Posted By: SOKAPOPIS
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 03:26
OMG . I think im gonna cry ...  I can lose all my cities , that doesnt matter .
That was going to happen sooner or later anyway since your plan is obviously to kill this game .
So go on . I never ever have spent a cent in that game . Ill just play a new one . As stated above i play for fun , i dont need a game to feel more important than i really am . There is no way i bend over in front of ppl with psychiatric pathologies who believe for real that they are some powerfull dictators . I d be happy to meet them in real life tho , i half guess they would probably behave differently but that s another subject .
That is my last post . Wont even read the next posts , this has become useless .



Posted By: Ten Kulch
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 04:02
Originally posted by SOKAPOPIS SOKAPOPIS wrote:

There wont be any individual surrender.

Sokapopis, the Hucbold of EE.

Maybe you missed it, but we accepted a personal surrender in the early fighting.

Originally posted by SOKAPOPIS SOKAPOPIS wrote:

You can keep behaving like an criminal, that wont change anything. Our leadership has decided to ignore you cause your conditions are unacceptable

Our "criminal" behavior has changed a lot, actually. When the strategic map gets fixed, it will show that Eagles Eyrie has been almost completely removed from the Broken Lands. The Phalanx has razed at least 20 EE cities, and we estimate EE has moved another 50-75 back to Elgea. The idea that your leadership has ignored us is false. Your leadership might not be communicating with us, but the EE hierarchy ordered the complete withdrawal of all your cities from an entire continent.

Hurl all the insults you like. The Phalanx hurled enough boulders to make our displeasure perfectly clear. Congratulations for never having to say "we surrender". Your players deserve some respect for bearing the brunt of those consequences in courageous silence, while you have yet again embarrassed yourself on the forums without risking a single city in battle.

So go ahead, keep talking. Talk is cheap. I write a blog, I should know. Maybe you never had to say "we surrender", but Eagles Eyrie is writing those very words across the map with every grudging step on the long, shameful journey back to Elgea.

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Posted By: Tink XX
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2017 at 04:10
Originally posted by SOKAPOPIS SOKAPOPIS wrote:

There is no way i bend over in front of ppl with psychiatric pathologies who believe for real that they are some powerfull dictators . I d be happy to meet them in real life tho


That is well but I prefer to avoid people who get high on their own kool-aid.
Sincerely,

Dictator Tink



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