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Topic: new building plan?
Posted By: tallica
Subject: new building plan?
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2011 at 21:01
After looking over the new buildings, I see a few that may be very important for towns, others are more for specialization as was expected.

I began looking at the new buildings and the old ones and here's what I'm thinking:

Each town will obviously have a Common Ground and Paddock, which leaves us with 23 available plots to build on. The following I feel every town should have in it, no matter what the specialization is (except in extreme circumstances):

Barracks, Consulate, Mage Tower, Market, Library, Flourmill, Carpentry, Kiln, Foundry, Stonemason

and

Storehouse (which I think will be destroyed and replaced with the Warehouse)

That takes up 13 of our plots, leaving 12 for specialization.

I suggest that new towns build an Architect's Office to reduce the overall build times of each building (I'm guessing that res plots are included and will be sped up by this building as well) but this will later be destroyed and replaced with a building, once all other plots have been filled.

So basically we have 11 plots to use for specialization. I suggest that one of these buildings be a Runemaster's Grounding in order to strengthen the anti-hostile runes placed on each town (since most people believe that the Vault isn't really worthwile and it's better to keep Thieves and runes in defense of your stuffs, I think this building will be valuable). Going along with this, if you are going to have Thieves in defense of your town you might as well place a Thieves' Den to allow you more Thieves in your town (of course this one is very optional).

The remainder of all buildings are all up to personal preference. I see the need for specialization which is dependent on what sov bonuses are near your town. I suggest looking and planning on making only 4-5 items per town at a maximum (ie making swords, spears, cows, etc and only really producing 4 or 5 of these per town.

About the Storehouse: Given that we have new buildings coming soon (imminently) and that we know there will be even more on the way afterwards, I'm looking to cut out anything that isn't absolutely neccessary for a finalized town. The Storehouse only holds 109,644 at level 20 while the Warehouse can hold 657,864 at level 20 for a total of 797,508 storage. Obviously in order to get that Warehouse you must first build up your Storehouse to level 15. But in the long run I don't see that the extra storage of 109k will be as important as gaining a new building, comparing 797k storage to 657k isn't a huge difference and I'd rather have that free plot.

What is the general opinion of all this?




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Posted By: The_Dude
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2011 at 21:54
The 4 resource enhancers could be dumped after opening the techs.

Vault could be dropped in a lot of cases.

Storehouse could go, too.

For non-Elves, Tannery and Fletcher are not needed in _every_ city of a player with 7+ cities.

Specialization can not be decided until the other future bldgs are known.

Also, none of these bldgs can be assessed absent knowing the true cost and true benefits.



Posted By: hydraa
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 00:00
it looks like a level 20 city wall requires the use of a storehouse since stone requirement appears to be 665,051.  No other T1 building needs more than the capacity of the warehouse


Posted By: Torn Sky
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 03:34
MILITARTY ACADEMY will be a must in any city with a military force atleast untill you have you your commanders sufficiently leveled

WARFARE COLLEGE per your biome will be important for defence especially against players wo have them themselves

The -X% upkeep buildings should only be built on a per city specialization, with in the later game a city set aside for mostly diplo force (if it suits your play style)

RUNEMASTERS' GROUNDING will be an interesting building depending on the %, if its low percentage it may not be worth leveling up, having a diplo oriented city with strong theif defence to store your adv res will be more effecient than a seeking with a boost to it, as for military the ward of destruction kills 250 troops atm in larger armies a theoretical 10% from a warfare college could ad 1-2k "extra" troops the % from the RG would need to be huge to be of real bonus

GEOMANCERS' RETREAT could add greatly to food production geomancy if it adds to the spells effectiveness and not just the spell casting power

the other buildings i need numbers before i can comment on their usefulness


Posted By: Kumomoto
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 16:39
Originally posted by Torn Sky Torn Sky wrote:

MILITARTY ACADEMY



I am so excited that the GMs have finally created a building for us to train ladies of the night. We can then populate our brothels with these Tarties and sit back and enjoy the revenues! The fact that the tarties are militant in their desire to work will only serve us better! We might even be able to sell "Instructor" spots at the Academy to the highest bidder?

Thank you GMs! ;)


Posted By: Silent/Steadfast
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 05:28
The consulate, barracks and marketplace aren't necessary to make units after all the research is done.  I recommend axing the marketplace.  

I think...


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Posted By: Aurordan
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 07:10
Originally posted by Silent/Steadfast Silent/Steadfast wrote:

The consulate, barracks and marketplace aren't necessary to make units after all the research is done.  I recommend axing the marketplace.  

I think...
 

That would halve the speed of your caravans and remove your ability to replace them though.


Posted By: Dhenna
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 13:17
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Originally posted by Torn Sky Torn Sky wrote:

MILITARTY ACADEMY



I am so excited that the GMs have finally created a building for us to train ladies of the night. We can then populate our brothels with these Tarties and sit back and enjoy the revenues! The fact that the tarties are militant in their desire to work will only serve us better! We might even be able to sell "Instructor" spots at the Academy to the highest bidder?

Thank you GMs! ;)

Clap


Posted By: Gossip Boy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 05:47
i ve many things on my mind about the new buildings(like everyone elseBig smile) but here's the most important one and i hope a useful oneGeek
spearmen's are certainly the best defensive units and most of us don't use them for offensive purpose except from those stinking orcs(am i being racistQuestion
i think it would be a good idea if one builds all his spearmen's in one city and then sends them to the other cities for defending in this way we can save a lot of money

for eg.let me assume that a player will build one spearmaster's respite for 5 cities now if he decides to have 10k spearmens in each of the cities he will need to pay 50k gold coins per hour as upkeep
now if i build the spearmaster's respite in one of my city to lvl 20 and make 50k spearmens it will cost me only 30k! of gold coins 
elves can also go for archers instead of spearmens 
i think this can't be extended to other troop type as i guess u can't order troop from a different city to attack/occupy/raid from a different city
and ofc you don't wanna build a spearmaster's respite in each of your city to keep away the troublemakers 



Posted By: HonoredMule
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 13:28
Gossip Boy, you've just discovered specialization.

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Posted By: LordBliss
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 15:19
Originally posted by Kumomoto Kumomoto wrote:

Originally posted by Torn Sky Torn Sky wrote:

MILITARTY ACADEMY



I am so excited that the GMs have finally created a building for us to train ladies of the night. We can then populate our brothels with these Tarties and sit back and enjoy the revenues! The fact that the tarties are militant in their desire to work will only serve us better! We might even be able to sell "Instructor" spots at the Academy to the highest bidder?

Thank you GMs! ;)


LOL.  Clap .  don't forget to research pimping skills.  cause pimping aint easy baby. 


Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 18:08
Carpentry, Kiln, Foundry, Stonemason
I disagree that all are necessary - especially stonemason becomes worthless once your city grows to a large size. In several cities I have only one refinery building - namely the one which complements a natural deficit in resource plots. Once your mines all hit lvl 20 your food will (most often) be the determining factor for your economy, not wood, clay iron or stone.

Just wanted to add that.


Posted By: Kilotov of DokGthung
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 19:18
i build res boosters as a "must have".
why dismiss more production? those are also good pop boosters


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Posted By: Gossip Boy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 19:26
i would like to differ from guys who are of the view that carpentry,kiln.......etc are not of much use.in my view these are pretty decent buildings to have as of now .
consider a city with 5*5plots now the maximum hourly production rate ever achievable in this city is 5*2538=12690 per hour which is not as much if u are having some 5 level 5 sovereignty claims for production buildings which will cost you 2400*5=12000 res./hr
now life with CKFS you now have an additional production of 12690*.4 which is nearly equal to 5200 res./hr which can give u an opportunity to have an additional production structure on your sovereign land +a substantial hourly production rate of around 3.5k/hr
and if still you ve doubts kindly continue reading.............
there are 25 plots in each city and as of now (reason for the previous as of now)there aren't 25 buildings which gives you a pop. of 1497 which these buildings give
and also you can make a lot of moneyEvil Smile by selling the advanced resources which you are making faster due to the production buildings on your sovereign land which will surely help you in maintaining your tax to a reasonable level(around 25%) while you can also support a sizable army at the same time
plz inform me if i missing  the plot somewhere


Posted By: Gossip Boy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 19:28
Originally posted by Kilotov of DokGthung Kilotov of DokGthung wrote:

i build res boosters as a "must have".
why dismiss more production? those are also good pop boosters

well kilotov just said it in two lines while i was trying to convey it in my rather long post




Posted By: Tordenkaffen
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 20:13
I no longer build for pop - build for efficiency/function - I think therein lies the difference :)

But you are right in building them while upping your pop is a priority - they do give a very nice boost at level 20.



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