Harmless? [H?] declares war on Absaroke [Absa]

LordOfTheSwamp wrote: Angrim wrote: LordOfTheSwamp wrote: There is a disagreement playing out between those who believe that morality and justice are important in Illy, and those who think it's fun to kick people around. Those who say that morality and justice are important in Illy but won't put themselves on the line to defend that, and will then bleat like (in Grego's phrase) sheep when Illy isn't the friendly, welcoming, supportive place that they thought it was. as a neutral in the conflict, i thought i might register that neither peace nor any side is helped by a blanket insult issued to everyone who is not fighting for the side you favour. I am fighting in favour of morality and justice being important in Illy. H? have made it clear that they believe they have the right to attack people when it suits them - see KP's "the game gives me a catapult so I have the right to use it" argument, for one of many examples. If you believe morality and justice being important in Illy, then you are not neutral - you are on my side. But if that is the case then it is reasonable that I ask why you aren't actually acting in this to defend the victims in this aggression - Absa and VIC. If you have no opinion on whether morality and justice are important, then you are, as you say, a neutral party, and so I am not insulting you or calling you names, as you are not in any of the 3 groups I describe above. But if you want morality and justice being important in Illy, and you do nothing to defend that, and then you whine in future, then it is absolutely fair that I call you out for that. Up to you whether, as the saying goes, "the boot fits."

Mogul wrote: That post was for consone players to understand your question. using point 2 from that manual: You say: VIC is attacking RHY during tournament. I say: VIC is helping Absa to break RHY siege camps... And to answer your question: Yes of course in my opinion it is absolutely correct that VIC is helping Absa to defend. I believe that is most important point in Consone agreement - defend each other against aggression.

From my understanding of it being that it hasn't been fought a great deal is that there had been a deal more or less completed and pretty sure that Absa ended up being the aggressor after the fact.

Which hasn't really been argued but rather people complain more so about the reaction to said aggression. Start a fight... start to get your towns siege'd... cry foul and ask a larger alliance to help then cry foul again when another alliance steps in larger than your friend. Remember it all was fine upto the point H? and was not considered unfair (Absa/ShB/VIC vs RHY) but after RHY had help now RHY and H? are the bad guys.

I fully understand the main purpose you have here is propaganda with your pics being proof of it. Problem is that its kind of a poor attempt at it :/

hellion19 wrote:  From my understanding of it being that it hasn't been fought a great deal is that there had been a deal more or less completed and pretty sure that Absa ended up being the aggressor after the fact.

Ossian wrote: It does seem at this point that a war of some sort is inevitable.

Suggesting that the devs want us to play in their sandbox in one way or another way is a fairly common occurrence.  I have heard the devs repeatedly say that they don't have any preconceptions about how we should interact with the sandbox and that they are charmed and delighted by the "castles" we create here.