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Points: 800 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 03:19
When I started playing I overestimated the meaning of the "direction"  (who offered vs. who accepted a NAP or confed) on diplo pages, I guess you can ignore it, or maybe only consider it if there was an escrow.
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Points: 1118 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 2012 at 13:09
Yep, that's very much where this kind of analysis should be going - good job. I've done many-body gravitational and pressure simulations like this before, and wondered if it could be applied to Illy diplomacy.

Possible ways forward from here:
  • Try higher-dimension spaces (3D and further - means changing that math library you're using), which interact for a desired outcome, or tend to a position on a basis axis. For presentation, this space can be re-mapped to 2D/3D in context. This removes the artificial 'pressure' constraints imposed by the 2D space - these constraints give stability to the network, but don't reflect the flexibility of the alliance relationships: mutual confeds don't prevent other diplomacy!
  • Analyse to two degrees of separation, using the geometry/network to show: conflicts of interest, threatened alliances, safe alliances, and so on.
Edit: Exploring the first of these...
  • Try a 3D projection where you choose a base alliance. Introduce an additional constraint where the links want to settle at a big distance for War, and a small distance for Confed (so Confed, NAP, ... , War all have their ideal distances). The result should be the same clumping you see on your existing graphs, but layered by stance to the base alliance, either as onion-skin layers by diplo stance, or as a clumpy line.


Edited by Albatross - 13 Nov 2012 at 13:46
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Points: 172 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2012 at 02:22
omg i love it having fun playing with it
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Points: 15 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2012 at 02:38
Originally posted by tansiraine tansiraine wrote:

omg i love it having fun playing with it

We are still talking bout the graph right?
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UPDATE :)

As planed earlier, I've used the louvain method to discover communities in the conf graph. here is the result : http://illyriad.jokair.info/tests/illy.peace.html 
It is fully automatised, I don't (and can't) assign an alliance to a specific group. 
I've shortened the inner community links, and colored them mixing colors of both extremities. It becomes readable !



we now see how this spag plate was organised :) 
9 groups, all linked from a few alliances.
One question raising watching this : recently it have been said that trading with someone involved in the war could involve you too. What about having a confederation agreement with them ? will H? declare war on BZZZ and IND for having links to Roads and Druid ?

WDYT ?

Kero.


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Very interesting.  Nice work.
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Points: 65 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Nov 2012 at 20:38
So if you click and drag one alliance and the rest follow it around the graph...would, could you classify Illy as a demonstration of the Gaia principle?

Very nice work btw.







Edited by ropadope - 23 Nov 2012 at 20:51
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Points: 172 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 2012 at 06:04
I love the pretty colors!!! and every time i look at consone EE in in the middle...even after i move it.. it comes back to them...
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Points: 22 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Nov 2012 at 14:45
Kerozen this is amazing thanks for sharing it with everyone! 
Nice job! Big smile
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