Effect of Upgrading on existing queues |
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Larry
Wordsmith Joined: 10 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 114 |
Topic: Effect of Upgrading on existing queues Posted: 23 Mar 2010 at 12:35 |
Currently, if I set a queue of items (say cows) for a building (common ground) to produce, and then proceed to upgrade the building, the upgrades do not affect the existing queue. It still takes precisely as long as it did before the upgrade.
Is this the intended mechanic? Seems to make more sense that upgrading a building ought to shorten the existing queues, its not like there is a lvl1 version of the building still sitting around while the lvl7 got built elsewhere.
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GM Stormcrow
Moderator Group GM Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Location: Illyria Status: Offline Points: 3926 |
Posted: 24 Mar 2010 at 11:09 |
Hi Larry,
Yes, this is the intended mechanic. The effects of a building are only applied when the item it produces are queued up initially. It's more of a balance thing than a logic thing, admittedly, especially with the proposed removal of the "instabuild" prestige spend option. Best, GM Stormcrow |
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HonoredMule
Postmaster General Joined: 05 Mar 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1650 |
Posted: 25 Mar 2010 at 06:25 |
It would be much more palatable if cancellations were supported, whether it be research, construction, resource production, unit recruitment, or missions recently launched. Most other games support most or all of the above, and the lack here is a bit surprising and inconvenient.
I can't see how allowing cancellations and restarts would upset balance, especially when wanting to do so typically indicate either a blunder in lack of planning or a simple wish to keep operations busy while away. And just to clarify, in the case of multi-unit queues, one would expect cancellation not to affect units of work (say livestock) already completed (not that it could really be done any other way). I would fire the blacksmith who refused to staff the new wing of his smithy until all current work orders were completed. That's just bad management. |
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GM Stormcrow
Moderator Group GM Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Location: Illyria Status: Offline Points: 3926 |
Posted: 25 Mar 2010 at 06:50 |
Hmm. It is a very fair point...
If we did implement cancellation, I agree that "produced stuff to date" should still have been produced (and the way the logic works it is actually produced and moved into eg the Unit Pool when it hits the individual item production time), but what do we think on items such as research or buildings? Do we return some of the construction/research lost due to the cancellation? On a pro-rata basis? Someone else suggested this elsewhere, but I'm damned if I can find the thread now (Stormcrow's search-fu is weak, today). |
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rescendent
Greenhorn Joined: 05 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 60 |
Posted: 25 Mar 2010 at 09:30 |
Maybe just cancellation for things queued beyond the first production/research/build as they are not yet in progress?
The current item is "being worked on" and obviously the workshop is geared up for that rate of production; where as 2nd/3rd etc are just future plans?
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GM Stormcrow
Moderator Group GM Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Location: Illyria Status: Offline Points: 3926 |
Posted: 25 Mar 2010 at 13:42 |
Cancellation still to be finalised, but:
UPGRADING PRODUCTION BUILDINGS TO AFFECT CURRENT ORDERS
Edited by GM Stormcrow - 25 Mar 2010 at 13:45 |
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HonoredMule
Postmaster General Joined: 05 Mar 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1650 |
Posted: 26 Mar 2010 at 15:44 |
It did later occur to me in connection to this that queuing stuff not actually desired is handy for sidestepping incoming attacks and thieves. I don't personally have a problem with this. This is in line with my earlier statements to the effect that there should be such substantial benefits to being around and paying attention, and that such things help restore the viability of competing without buying prestige. People with less money often also have more time to commit...it's a balancing factor for most. Also, in real-world sense, being aware that something is going down usually causes people to react in precisely this manner to precisely this effect. Move your valuables, and the thieves break in for nothing. That's exactly the sort of thing we do, individually and in larger scale operations.
However, if it were considered a problem anyway, one could always penalize cancellation with partial return of resources. In many of the fair situations one would often be happy to throw away the spent resources entirely, just for the chance to produce more quickly or keep it out of the hands of enemies. Going back to real-world analogy: how would one be completely unable even to say, "I don't care about any of this, just throw it all out and start something else." Other benefits to canceling ability would be the opportunity to change your mind about what it is you actually want produced. Have incoming diplomats? Think they are thieves? Cancel your scouts to build more thieves in time to help catch them. Such ability again rewards in-game activity and attention, but doesn't require elimination of the cost-benefit tradeoff. |
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