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    Posted: 19 May 2016 at 02:36
As one of those copy cats, I would like to offer that the former TVM was one of the "organized alliances" that attempted to "truly maintain and enforce land claims." Unfortunately for us, we weren't up to the task of going against the former SHARK. 

Maybe I'm entirely wrong and we didn't have the "stuff" to enforce the claim, but we gave it a hell of a go. In fact, though, I think SIN's performance against the formerly largest alliance in the game is somewhat more of the exception rather than the rule. 

I say all this as warning to those who think claiming land is a trifle. It is most definitely not. Choose your area carefully and be prepared to defend or die trying.
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Good job on your guys end, the copy cats suck at it.
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I believe that my post about this may have been deleted in a previous thread, so I've decided to post it here again and address ajq's final tirade in these forums about the supposed "dangers" of land claims. 

More than anything, ajq was a fearmonger who sought to troll the server (in more ways than one) than channeling fear in order to manipulate the truth. In his reams and reams of verbose, long-winded essays, he covered up the fact that his arguments were without merit with with attempt at persuive and misleading discourse. I intend to expose some of his mis-truths here.

ajq claimed that land claims were spreading like a virus in the broken lands, and that they would eventually destroy the game, since they would lead to a point where players would have no free lands to inhabit and would abandon the game. He may have believed that to be true, but the progression of land claims completely refutes his theory. 

Here is a time-lapsed gif of land claims over the past 12 months:


As you can see, land claims are CONTRACTING, not expanding. Last year at this time, ajq's point had more validity, since land claims were growing rapidly. In the end, however, the vast majority of BL lands are claim free, and are likely to stay that way, since after the experimentation period, it has been shown that only organized alliances can truly maintain and enforce land claims.

In terms of people being affected by land claim, The Hashashin, who has by far the strictest land claim policy, has had only EIGHT players come into our claim since April, 2015. In all cases, we were gracious and even helped people move with all the basic res they needed. MicroMe, who is one of the nicest and most universally respected players in the game, accidentally showed up in our claim. I encourage anyone who has doubts about land claims and how they are typically enforced on unsuspecting players to IGM her and ask her about how she was treated by myself and the rest of SIN through the course of us helping her relocate.

Even though the land claim map that I maintain is not official, nor does it live on the game itself, it has become quite visible and players are in fact using it to navigate the few remaining land claims, as most land claiming alliances have had similarly few land claim infractions. Perhaps someday the game developers might institute a feature to allow claims to be more visible in the game itself, but in the meantime, the user-led initiative to make them visible has sufficed.

The main problem with land claims are those who oppose them. At every step of the way, their fearmongering, hyperbole, and demagoguery has led to n00bs and other players who are unfamiliar with the meta-game to fear and loathe land claims without knowing the full story.

The evidence above should demonstrate that land claims are niche feature in Illyriad, and one that is kept in check organically by the game itself, since it takes a strong alliance with organization and will to actually maintain and enforce them.

P.S. -- I'm having trouble with all the slides in the gif, but you get the idea.


Edited by Jejune - 16 May 2016 at 15:48

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Name it Coanhara Felix! :)
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Originally posted by jtk310 jtk310 wrote:

..Rome lays claim to the Southern portion of the desert of Coanhara which borders Westmarch. This claim encompasses all "desert" tiles in the area from -690x to -500x, and under coordinate -2040y. The Southernmost border will vary based on the natural border as desert tiles give way to more fertile land in Southern Coanhara...
I like the idea of making claims on the basis of terrain features, but I feel that if you are going to do so then you are obligated to name such features.

So what is the name of the desert that you are claiming?
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Happy birthday.  May people not care less for another year.
...and miles to go before I sleep.
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After a whole year, I feel vindicated in my original statements that land claims were nothing new to this game, and that in fact the sky was not falling. At first I was neutral to the idea. It took me months to warm up to land claims. What ultimately swayed me was the sensible arguments laid out by the claimers, and more importantly, the proof that the wild accusations of the anti-land claim crowd had never materialized into a real problem.

I would call these claims a great benefit to Illyriad. Really. For the past year, there has been nothing interesting to talk about except land claims. The struggle to control strategic points in the Broken Lands has been very interesting to watch. It has also produced real trade activity. I had grown utterly bored with Centrum, and the whole -1 crowd of copycats just churning the same items endlessly.

It's nice to have a tournament again, but honestly, so much of Elgea has been dead to trade for so long, that it has been wonderful to have active customers in their far-flung part of the world.
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YARR! as it is now contains a combination of the original YARR!, Hansa, Shu-Han, Deathmongers, and The Librarians (who were not an LC alliance, but were planning one, and said "Land Claims are the future")

In spite of all the forum panic about "newbs who don't know better moving into the land claim" in the last 5 months we've only had 2 cities move into the land claim without permission, one immediately joined us, and the other was a vet who moved again as soon as the 5 days wait was up. 

We're doing well, here in the middle of BL. Land claims have been a strategic advantage, especially given how much I regularly spend on terraforms to provide better city locations in the Isles themselves. Having to push other people off those spots would have been tiresome. 

Cheers,
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Happy Anniversary!
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Hey how come I wasn't thanked in the thread? :o
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