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Epidemic
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I was never an enabler, if I didn't sell supplies someone else would of.
I don't think I called you a liar. I'm sure I thanked you for be honest in admitting you were ruthless for bringing Evony style warfare to Illy.
Hate is a strong word. I don't like how some have tried rewriting history.
Epi does not rant.
I would be extremely honored if someone were to present me with that medal! |
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Thorgrim
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In case somebody wants to put this at my tiny Dwarf feet: This was not me.
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Rill
Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 7078 |
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It was not. Different player. Had a last name.
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Thorgrim
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I started as Thorgrim Grudgebearer.
It's a name from the Warhammer universe, so probably not uncommon, considering the number of cities named Karaz-A-Karak on the map: |
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Angrim
Postmaster General Joined: 02 Nov 2011 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
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the no-more-cities policy was no doubt based on EE's and others' experiences at the end of the Consone war, wherein H? agreed to peace on condition that additional cities were razed after hostilities ceased. many players, including uninvolved ones (myself included) thought this very harsh. it has occurred to me since that this is probably another bit of culture clash between two play styles. casual builders will look on this as the ultimate penalty, since all research (potentially three years of investment) is destroyed; some did and left the game. at the opposite end of the play spectrum are military prestigers, who research only what they expect to use, spend relatively freely to build, and often capture rather than settle. one's play style can have a profound effect on what one views as reasonable, a fact that neither side seems to have appreciated yet. i feel confident that vCrow et al. did, in fact, feel that the no-more-cities policy was a merciful gesture. in the end, though, an arbitrary, secret parole policy is still arbitrary and secret, and likely to be used as a tool to work out various personal agendas by those left in charge of it--no matter the currency. |
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HATHALDIR
Forum Warrior Joined: 01 Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Status: Offline Points: 380 |
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Page 22 to finally rate a mention from Angrim!! Please remember that all of his conclusions are based on his summation of the facts as he sees them. That does not make them invalid, but highly questionable as Angrim does not believe in the warring part of the game. ( but his is a warrior in the forums!)
As someone who emraces the peaceful side of the game (and we need these players too!) and not privvy to our skype chats, many of these one on one, his conclusions will be dubious as they do not include all the facts. |
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There's worse blokes than me!!
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Consul Zynot
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Tamaeon
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You're right, it does not exist... because white peace was offered before RE declared on uCrow. I've sent you an igm of my discussion with Nistiner.
Just to highlight the hassle of negotiating with RE at the time, I'll post a timeline below...
True, it was Dittobite who secured peace in the end. Though the efforts of uCrow, CK and NAAM cannot be ignored. Achieving peace with RE was probably the most difficult negotiation in illyriad history. Here's some of the highlights starting from October 14th. (note that before this, uCrow had negotiated a ceasefire and an offer of white peace for RE) 14th of October - uCrow warns RE (3rd time) to immediately remove all TVM members from their ranks, warning that failure to comply will lead to an imminent escalation of the war. 15th of October - RE reject white peace. Nistiner replies stating that RE will not sign peace with CK, until CK sign peace with NC. He was also glad to point out that NC would siege uCrow into submission. 17th of October - EE declares war on TVM. All players visiting in RE return home. 18th of October - CK and uCrow start talks for new surrender terms, upon RE's renewed interest in peace. We eventually settled on: - RE are to move all cities within 15 squares of CK cities. - uCrow and CK will provide all the resources needed for RE to build up towns and exodus. - After exodus, uCrow and CK will provide all the resources to help RE rebuild towns. - RE agree not to settle within 15 squares of CK cities. - RE promise to never attempt to corrupt any CK members again. These terms were initially rejected, uCrow and CK return to the drawing table... 30th of October - RE declares war on uCrow and NAAM. 30th of October - Myself and Nistiner exchange various messages regarding the war declaration. 30th of October - uCrow promises RE that no sieges or attacks will be sent to their cities. 30th of October - Nistiner sends various attacks to my cities. 30th of October - Peace talks break down. uCrow notifies RE that we refuse to continue peace talks while RE armies march towards our cities. 1st of November - Nistiner contacts me again to ask for peace, I remind him that uCrow will not negotiate while we have inbound attacks. 3rd of November - Nistiners attacks prove to be feints. 4th of November - Myself and Janosch discuss terms for RE, she agrees to take the lead in negotiations. 8th of November - Peace talks break down. Zynot attacks kErru, a member of HEAT (Non-Aligned-Movement Confederation) 9th of November - I notify Janosch that given the recent ceasefire violations by RE, I no longer wish to waste my time with peace negotiations. We agree that a month-long ceasefire is the only way forward. 29th of december - Dittobite and myself exchange messages regarding RE's surrender terms 4th of January - Prares and myself exchange messages regarding Ajeka's (CK leader at the time) absence, and the possibilities for peace with RE. 8th of January - uCrow posts on the forum declaring peace with RE. link below... The whole debacle took 3 months to resolve. It should be noted that there were more incidents like ceasefire violations. But despite everything, RE faired pretty well in the war and peace was achieved with virtually no destruction or punitive terms. edit: corrected spelling
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"How happy is the blameless vestal's lot! The world forgetting, by the world forgot. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind! Each prayer accepted, and each wish resigned."
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Angrim
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abstractdream
Postmaster General Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Location: TEXAS Republic Status: Offline Points: 1865 |
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I have a couple of questions about this. 1. Why was our presence a point of contention? There were maybe 3 accounts that went over (before uCrow got involved and maybe more accounts went over, but I don't have the records available to tell me) and they never once sent armies or diplomats at any accounts. The entire time, Nalleen was doing her best to teach RE members how to defend themselves, which they clearly had no idea of how to do. She told them that if there were any offensive action from RE, she and the rest of our members would leave and they would lose all support from us. I was in communication with Prares and disclosed all of the above to him. As far as I know, RE followed these instructions and not once launched any type of offensive action against XckX. TVM members never once did anything that could be construed as offensive. In the alliance, we did nothing to indicate we were taking an offensive role. In RE, our members never did anything to indicate that. Prares knew about all of this. 2. Why was TVM not contacted? There was never a message to me or any other member that I am aware of from you or any other uCrow member or anyone at all, including RE stating that our presence in RE was an issue of contention. We were never asked by RE or anyone to leave RE. The first I heard of it was AFTER our guys came home. Edited by abstractdream - 27 Jan 2015 at 00:46 |
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