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Captain Kindly
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Adding on what Angrim said, let's not forget the absolute BS justification the Grand Alliance used here: "They are refusing to surrender to our terms, so we can do nothing else [emphasis mine] than razing them back to the newbie ring". There are always alternatives, if involved parties are willing to see them. And in what way is this better than giving up two cities? I'll be the first to admit that surrender terms were high after the Consone War, but I also note that the ones setting up the terms on behalf of the GA (barring HATHALDIR) weren't even participating in that war. There is no justification for what some GA-alliances did in the last war. And this is digging it all up again.
Edited by Captain Kindly - 12 Jan 2015 at 22:39 |
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Tamaeon
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I don't know if you're lying (as in saying something that you know to be untrue), but I do know that this war was not about supremacy. Any amount of destruction you saw was considered necessary in the pursuit of victory. And that goes for both sides of the war. |
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"How happy is the blameless vestal's lot! The world forgetting, by the world forgot. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind! Each prayer accepted, and each wish resigned."
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Epidemic
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I find it quite odd that you were troubled by the amount of destruction when you yourself made sure a Dlord player was completely wiped out because he had the nerve to send thieves to one of your towns because someone was thieving his towns for several weeks. Quit pretending to play innocent, Ncrow is by far one of the most ruthless alliances in the game so far. |
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Tamaeon
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So what could we have done? Or better... what alternatives could we have tried that we didn't.
Most players were given the option to surrender individually without losing cities. Is that not better?
That's simply not true. In a few cases help was sought from third parties to help negotiate an end to hostilities. That's not even close to having non-combatants dictate the terms of surrender.
The Grand Alliance did what was needed in order to achieve victory. The cost may have been great, but both sides are to blame for this. I cannot deny that more could have been done to limit the amount of destruction; but I will have to disagree with anyone who claims that this was solely the GA's responsibility. |
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"How happy is the blameless vestal's lot! The world forgetting, by the world forgot. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind! Each prayer accepted, and each wish resigned."
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Orin
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The aim of this post was to supply information, not to have people at each other. If you have any info, again IGM orin.
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jcx
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hey guys its over! cheer up - its a great time for us all to rebuild and enjoy peace!
not unless you guys wanted to start one.
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Disclaimer: The above is jcx|orcboy's personal opinion and is not the opinion or policy of Harmless? [H?] or of the little green men that have been following him all day.
jcx in H? | orcboy in H? |
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Hora
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Great idea to try for an unbiased history, but that always opens a can of worms.
To my astonishment the loosing side seems really quiet and content with that approach (big thumbs up for that ), while the winning side and players who left the war without too much losses do all the shouting... |
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Gragnog
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We on the losing side know what was done and are ok with that. We are going on and doing things we want to do. The victors know what they did and need to deal with it themselves. You reap what you sow. The surrender terms were absolutely crazy and if I did not get help would never have been able to afford it. |
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Tamaeon
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You know full well that we ultimately held you and your former alliance responsible for the enormous toll of the great war. It's rather obvious that you wouldn't be afforded the same treatment as the other alliances. H? members who surrendered early paid a fraction of what the rest paid later on. With one clear exception being the player who had cities in Djebeli, Larn and Elijal. edit: improved for clarity. Edited by Tamaeon - 13 Jan 2015 at 18:40 |
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Hora
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OK, fact one both sides agree on: there had been reparations Guys, why not offer some dates, aproximate or even exact data on towns lost, number of players who chose personal surrender, etc... The spreadsheet looks cool, btw... So point 2: When would each side date the start of the war, maybe starting with the smaller alliances' wars at the beginning?
Edited by Hora - 13 Jan 2015 at 18:47 |
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