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GM Luna 
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 Topic: New Emoticons
Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 06:15 |
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Agreed. I believe all parties have said their piece and this has gotten way off topic and is going around in circles. I'm sorry for my part in derailing the discussion.
Closing this thread now.
Luna
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GM Luna | Illyriad Community Manager | community@illyriad.co.uk 
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abstractdream
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Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 06:02 |
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Reading this thread and watching the behavior in GC, I have gotten some serious insight into the way so many citizens of Illy play the game. Thanks for that, but this has gotten a bit tedious by now. Can we go ahead and move on to the next subject of interest?
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Bonfyr Verboo
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Cerex Flikex
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Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 05:46 |
I did not expect this thread to keep going as it has. The GMs already replied about what they plan to do with chat. To make an option to view the emoticons or not. I enjoy the fact that they are race and gender defined. That some people don't like it, well just one of the many reasons some people are not happy with them. Can this end now though? Because really, what else can be said?
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Subatoi
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Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 01:05 |
 Rill wrote:
Subatoi wrote:
Rill wrote:
And the most important point is, gender is NOT related to expressions of emotion. Men are happy, women are happy, the smile represents this. Men are sad, women are sad, the frown represents that. Making men and women smile differently artificially emphasizes a societal distinction many of us would prefer to escape in a fantasy game. The idea of having emoticons that fit the game environment is a fun one and a neat idea. But until gender characteristics of our avatars begin to impact game mechanics (which I hope it won't!), I hope you will decide to respect the desire of many to control to the greatest degree possible their gender identification or lack thereof. |
Pfft I have no feelings! |
Then you won't need to use emoticons, will you?  |
noo..
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Rill
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Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 00:59 |
Subatoi wrote:
Rill wrote:
And the most important point is, gender is NOT related to expressions of emotion. Men are happy, women are happy, the smile represents this. Men are sad, women are sad, the frown represents that. Making men and women smile differently artificially emphasizes a societal distinction many of us would prefer to escape in a fantasy game. The idea of having emoticons that fit the game environment is a fun one and a neat idea. But until gender characteristics of our avatars begin to impact game mechanics (which I hope it won't!), I hope you will decide to respect the desire of many to control to the greatest degree possible their gender identification or lack thereof. |
Pfft I have no feelings! |
Then you won't need to use emoticons, will you?
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Subatoi
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Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 00:58 |
Rill wrote:
And the most important point is, gender is NOT related to expressions of emotion. Men are happy, women are happy, the smile represents this. Men are sad, women are sad, the frown represents that. Making men and women smile differently artificially emphasizes a societal distinction many of us would prefer to escape in a fantasy game. The idea of having emoticons that fit the game environment is a fun one and a neat idea. But until gender characteristics of our avatars begin to impact game mechanics (which I hope it won't!), I hope you will decide to respect the desire of many to control to the greatest degree possible their gender identification or lack thereof. |
Pfft I have no feelings!
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Rill
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Posted: 24 Apr 2012 at 00:49 |
Luna, the court system in the United States has multiple cases attempting to distinguish what is or isn't harassment or discrimination based on gender (or race, etc.). These things are difficult to determine in real life.
If it's not blatant disregard for basic code of conduct or decency, then I'm not going to report it, and I would expect if I did report it you would probably not act on it.
Even if it's just a simple expectation that I will be less competent at (fill in the blank) because I am female, I would prefer not to encourage that reaction by shoving my gender in people's face all the time. Sure, it's better for people just to get to know me and realize that I (fill in the blank) as well as anyone else but I'm really not particularly good at (that other thing), but that would only work in a perfect world, which Illy, as wonderful as it is, is not.
One of the great things about online gaming is that we can experiment with different ways of being. For some of us, that includes de-emphasizing our gender so that we don't have to conform to gender roles -- or on the contrary, emphasizing gender more or even gender-crossing. The point is, we want the freedom to do as we wish without having gender come up so constantly, unless we bring it up ourselves.
And the most important point is, gender is NOT related to expressions of emotion. Men are happy, women are happy, the smile represents this. Men are sad, women are sad, the frown represents that. Making men and women smile differently artificially emphasizes a societal distinction many of us would prefer to escape in a fantasy game. The idea of having emoticons that fit the game environment is a fun one and a neat idea. But until gender characteristics of our avatars begin to impact game mechanics (which I hope it won't!), I hope you will decide to respect the desire of many to control to the greatest degree possible their gender identification or lack thereof.
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SunStorm
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Posted: 23 Apr 2012 at 23:41 |
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This whole thread = (~_~)
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"Side? I am on nobody's side because nobody is on my side" ~LoTR
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Quackers
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Posted: 23 Apr 2012 at 21:55 |
Brids17 wrote:
Quackers wrote:
So you should smile like a female human. |
So men and women smile differently? I don't think so. You use an emote to get across some kind of emotion. So if you're sad you do =( to emphasize that because words are so emotionless. Gender however has absolutely nothing to do with that. That's why traditionally emoticons are gender-less. Gender is completely irrelevant to emotion. |
Yes we both smile the same, but on Illyriad men do not have hair. Women have hair. :P
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Brids17
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Posted: 23 Apr 2012 at 21:44 |
Quackers wrote:
So you should smile like a female human. |
So men and women smile differently? I don't think so. You use an emote to get across some kind of emotion. So if you're sad you do =( to emphasize that because words are so emotionless. Gender however has absolutely nothing to do with that. That's why traditionally emoticons are gender-less. Gender is completely irrelevant to emotion.
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