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    Posted: 21 Dec 2011 at 22:25
I made a graph by taking the topmost player of 100 pages somewhat evenly spread through the ranks (from rank 1 to 10k). Two versions: One where the scale is logarithmic and another where just the log of the score is shown and the ranks go from high to low. Use the slider to see the whole graph.

This second plot shows how the line is slightly steeper in the beginning where players are fed with resources. Then it is linear for a long time. This might suggest that ordinary Illy growth is simply exponential, but conclusions are difficult to draw since the horizontal axis shows the rank and is not a time-axis. The top-players in every game always stand out which is why the line becomes steeper again near the top. 


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i get alot of my score from trade. i sell to someone. i finance my army through trade lol
whats happened to the world? if intelegent life came to earth is RL would they consider us intelligent or not? probably not!!!!
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Originally posted by jiefu jiefu wrote:

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Even population is extremely deceptive as a score, with those of us at the top pushing our populations up to unsustainable levels in order to qualify for a 10th town, with the intention of immediately reducing our populations back to useful levels, we will be in the position of dramatically falling in the standings as we are getting significantly more powerful!
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Originally posted by Tinuviel's Voice Tinuviel's Voice wrote:

Imho, what really counts (at least for the time being) is the attack/defense rankings.

For example, I rank #2 in Tech.  Err....so what?

Exactly the same thing with Quest.

I believe population ranks currently have some role to play alongside attack/defence though. (best economic powerhouse accounts versus best military powerhouses).
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Imho, what really counts (at least for the time being) is the attack/defense rankings.

For example, I rank #2 in Tech.  Err....so what?
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Points: 1191 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 May 2011 at 11:33
The ranking system isn't completely meaningless - the top players in Illy are generally at the top of the ranks.

A few things need tweaking I agree, but to be honest: Manipulating ranks gives players 0 ingame advantage - it is just a number in a list - and anyone who knows about the ranking system can spot the people who manipulate quite easily anyways.

I don't play for the leaderboard anyways, there are much more fun things. If the devs fix the ranking system I won't complain but I think there are many other things more worthy of development time first.
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Well, we've already commented on the trade issue; all trade scores will be reset with the Trade v2 release.

http://forum.illyriad.co.uk/update-26nov10-trade-v2-part-1_topic1313_post10976.html#10976

Other issues we'll look into.
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Originally posted by Createure Createure wrote:

Alot of the rankings are meaningless Alba: there are ways of unfairly manipulating many of them to obtain enormous scores - and many players have spent time doing this - time wasted in my opinion because I'm sure that rankings will get an overhaul at some point.

Several of the categories can be easily manipulated to gain huge scores, in particular trade, diplomacy and magic, but also some others to an extent. For example my personal trade score is currently 35M (rank 164) - I've gained that by doing genuine trading throughout the life of my account - I could easily set up a second account and bounce fake trades around to increase that - In a single fake trade I could gain 80M point.

Notice the two accounts in the same alliance at the top of the trade ranks with 35 Trillion points each? That will be one sad person shifting gold back and forward between the two.

 
I wasn't aware of this. If there is unfair manipulation which renders the ranking system meaningless then this is quite serious. I would like to read the GM's comment on this issue.
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