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STAR
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+1 It was written by The_Dude
There should not be any dispute because the original author was The_Dude. There was talk that the Guide came from toothless but it didnt. It was information that was already being done by those experienced in the game, which is why The_Dude wrote and posted the newbie guide. Personally in my opinion it was The_Dude that started the movement in helping newbies out because at the time there was no player guide for them in forums. The only help you would get regarding information was if you joined an alliance, with The_Dudes guide and help ingame it gave newbies an option to play alone for a while. FYI: The_Dude had deleted the guide he wrote (for his own reasons) before him leaving, what he didnt know was Manannan had taken a copy of that guide The_Dude had written and saved it, later reposting it under his name (which I think is this thread). Later adding his own flare to it.
The guide was accurate "at the time" but it is not accurate at this time That guide i believe was taken without permission by Lion Heart and posted in forums. It was not a guide that was made accessible to the illy community, it was a private guide for there own players before him taking it.
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GM Luna
New Poster Community Manager Joined: 22 Oct 2011 Location: Illyriad Status: Offline Points: 2042 |
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The objection to the second paragraph is noted. It also does not violate any forum rules, so I won't be editing.
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Angrim
Postmaster General Joined: 02 Nov 2011 Location: Laoshin Status: Offline Points: 1212 |
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whether it's changed or not is of no interest to me, but the paragraph clearly states that: a) The first was originally published by a great Illyriad called The_Dude b) there was some dispute over who actually wrote it Manannan apparently cannot testify to the authorship of the original guide, but acknowledges (gratefully, as attested by the conversation following) the source he knows. when i read this post as a newb, i was confused by the reference to The_Dude leaving the game, but anyone who plays long enough to need the guide will know the truth of that, and the statement is evidently true in context, and does not seem to have been malicious in intent. i see no derogatory personal comments in the OP. (in fact, we seem to have only begun them since the objection was made.) is it reasonable to ask Luna to decide the authorship of a guide written before she joined the community? |
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abstractdream
Postmaster General Joined: 02 Oct 2011 Location: TEXAS Republic Status: Offline Points: 1865 |
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Aurordan
Postmaster Player Council - Ambassador Joined: 21 Sep 2011 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 982 |
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Okay, I can see the issue now, but you need to calm down.
The things you're objecting to are, respectively, out of date but true at the time (technically still true, since you did leave the game, but yes, misleading) and a fairly neutral report of what he'd heard. And honestly, if I'd heard something like that, especially about a player who'd left, I'd probably have thrown it in too. Also, why would you think you would get banned? Final comment: This guide is pretty out of date anyway. Someone should make a new one, maybe? I don't know that there should or could be a policy as to which on gets linked, I would just hope a new one would be better (and thus more often referred).
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The_Dude
Postmaster General Joined: 06 Apr 2010 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 2396 |
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The current OP was posted by GM Luna on Feb 28, 2012.
No one can honestly say I was inactive on that date. LIES!
Neither GM Luna nor Rill were members of the Illy community on May 14, 2011 when Mana originally created this thread. The last edit I saw from Mana was July 6, 2011 (I might be a couple of days off) and it was laughable in quality. I understand how Rill would like to see me banned. I do not understand why Illyriad Games, Ltd. would see that advantageous to their business interest As to "siege to oblivion" ... I am here, now, is this "oblivion?" [I hope not.] These lies end now. Ban me from Illy or change the OP. NOW! |
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Rill
Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 7078 |
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It seems to me that one would have to think very well of themselves to believe that being called "great" is anything but complimentary. Nevertheless, it is probably time to move off this discussion before Luna comes and admonishes us further.
Mana has said in the past that he has some difficulty editing the original post, not sure if that has been corrected. But in any case TD's perspective has now been spelled out in this thread, so people can form their own opinions. (If they can stop yawning for long enough.)
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KillerPoodle
Postmaster General Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1853 |
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Rill - I'm not sure what you're smoking but there is no way that sentence is complimentary. If the intent is as you claim then it needs to be edited to use better language.
It's also reasonable to expect that the OP is updated to reflect current status especially given the number of times it is linked per day. If that's not possible then a new thread should be started with up todate info and linked to instead. |
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abstractdream
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there was some dispute over who actually wrote it, is different than some debate at the time about who originated the idea of a new player guide. If T_D wrote a guide himself and got the idea elsewhere, which is what the second statement suggests that is one thing. If he took someone's work and submitted it as his own, which is what the first statement suggests that is plagiarism. I suggest the OP be changed if that charge was not intended.
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Rill
Postmaster General Player Council - Geographer Joined: 17 Jun 2011 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 7078 |
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The post was accurate at the time of its writing, after you sieged yourself into oblivion in a fit of pique. The post acknowledges there was some debate at the time about who originated the idea of a new player guide; there was another new player guide written by someone in Toothless? I believe.
Comments in the original post are far from defamatory and in fact are complimentary. I think Manannan is doing the right thing in giving credit to others for their contributions, even if the others are not particularly grateful.
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