Top 20 cities by Pop

And another reason that there are not that much cities maxed out is that it will be a continious battle to send food over from your other town just to start a simple production.. and what I usually have.. I start producing 1 thing, thinking I could also do some other things like researching some things.. Then see that my grain is allraidy gone due my -20k grain production.

Createure wrote: Also for self-reliant cities having maxed pop is a bad idea anyways.

Why is maxed out pop is a bad idea for a self-reliant city?

The payoff for the last few hundred pop is pretty lousy, so it's generally not a high priority.  This especially so once a lot of sovereignty has been claimed and resource surplus for frivolous upgrades becomes scarce.

I also like to ship food to my high-pop city as infrequently as possible, which means spending resources on repopulating queues first.

sorry SRG but i must correct your post, i dont know why, but your calculations are wrong, and some things must be precised.

- lvl 20 farmland = 2 014 food/h
7 lvl 20 farmlands = 14 098 food/h

-lvl 20 flourmill = +40% bonus
0% tax rate = +25% bonus
-----> 14 098*1,65 = 23 262 food/h with lv 20 flourmill and 0% tax

- about sov: will take squares that doesnt have additionnal bonus on food p/h (so +1% bonus each lvl)

your sov tiles are limited by your gold and your research production. let's imagine we dont care about gold income because you can send enough gold from your others towns.

lvl 20 library = 1 013 points/h
at 0% tax = 1 013*1,25 = 1 266 points/h.

we need to find the best lvl and repartition of the sov squares around the town to have nearly 1250 reasearch upkeep due to sov. i cant explain clearly without a draw. just know that you must fill the nearest tiles with lvl 5 sov. it does 12 lvl 5 sov for 883 research/h. then you fill the following 8 nearest tiles with 14 sov lvl as you wish (i wont explain the calculation, but that's simple).

then, for 1 250 research/h, at tax 0%, you will have a maximum of 12*5 + 14 = 74 sov lvls.
(as a precision, your sov gold unkeep in these conditions will be 12 500 gold/h)

we take only casual squares that give +1% bonus/lvl (that's the minimum).

then we have 74% bonus on food production. (thats the maximum possible with casual tiles)

then to the basic food production (14 098) we add the lvl 20 flourmill bonus + 25% taxe bonus + sov bonus + spell bonus (8% max)

14 098 (1 + 0,40 + 0,25 + 0,75 + 0,08) = 34 963 food/h at 0% tax.

so average 35 000 - 27 000 = 7 000 food/h at 0% ttax for a maxed city with 7 farmlands and all the max bonus (but surrounded by casual tiles)----> and your city is not self reliant, because it runs out of 12 500 gold/h

(and that's 10 292 food/h at 100% tax.

so with a maxed city at 100% tax you will have  average   - 17 000 food/h. but average 108 000 - 12 500 = 95 500 gold/h)
Edit: sorry i said something wrong. you cant put your city at 100% tax, because at 0% tax you produce 1266 research/h, and your sov tiles are using 1250 research/h in these conditions, as we said above. so if you increase the tax, the research production will decrease. and if your research points came to 0, your sov tiles will start a deleveling.
you can put you city at 100% tax but you lose all the food bonus given by the sov just when you come to 0 research points. and your sov squares will slowly but surely lose all their lvls.



if you want to know more about the calculation i did for the sov, just ask me and ill do something on Paint to explain.


Bests



Edit:
uh, just to precise if you didnt get it, useless to have the maxed production of food if after you put your maxed city a t 100% tax. these calculations are usefull for sov that increase weapons or units production. if you follow that, you can have 74%*5 = +370% production for the weapons/soldier of your choice (but u must be at 0% tax. and you will have -12 500 gold/h)

 







Edited by Mandarins31 - 24 Jan 2011 at 13:28

some random guy wrote: there are 8 squares 2.23 squares away, 4 1.4 squares away, 4 2 squares away, and 4 1 square away.

yeah that's it :)

some random guy wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lv. 5 farmstead is equivalent to a lv 20 farmyard.  This means that you would have 27 farmyards running at your city, which would produce 54119 food p/h.  At 25% production (100% taxes), you would have 13,530 food p/h.  And this is without any sov. or flourmill bonuses.