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eowan the short
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Posted: 01 Aug 2018 at 06:18 |
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Lol, well, if the poacher can make better use they should IGM the hunter and offer to pay the hunter what the hunter currently receives... problem solved...
as for letting a thread end... read my forum signature... :P
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Wartow
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Given your real life philosophies on the right to retain that for which one has worked... I find that statement amusing. Maybe the poacher can make better use of the resources than the hunter? I kid. Let this thread be done now.
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Dungshoveleux
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+1 It is the responsibility of the hunter to mark his(her) kills. End of.
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eowan the short
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Is it nonsensical though? Surely, as the one who's actually paid for the kill in troops, you have the right to it? Why should anyone else have the right to a kill they didn't make?
And, I'd hardly say sending some scouts is Sherlock Holmes levels of investigation. You're checking to see if there are multiple animal drops on the same square. Shouldn't a poacher want to scout the squares to make sure what they are collecting is actually worthwhile? Haven't you shown that you want it by going to the time and effort of killing some NPCs? Here's the thing, as I have stated, the cost is not trivial. You lose 20% of your armies for an extended period of time and risk the time cost of resurrecting a commander. The cost of scouting a kill is what is trivial; 10 scouts taking up 5% of your total ability to send out diplomatic missions for a short amount of time with no risk of them being killed by troops or NPCs.
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TomBombadil
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All of this puts the onus on every other person in Illy who didn't make the kill. That's just nonsensical. It is far easier for the person who made the kill to claim it visibly that to expect every other single person in Illy to scout it out and play Sherlock Holmes first. If you want it, show that you want it. Don't expect every other person on the map to go through the trouble of playing detective around an unclaimed kill because that isn't going to happen. You will inevitably be disappointed and have an unintended conflict that could all have been avoided by just controlling your own actions at a trivial personal cost.
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eowan the short
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Please read the rest of the thread, its dead simple to find out if a kill is critter v critter. Just scout them. Its not hard. And surely you want to know the stuff you're harvesting is actually worthwhile seeing as you haven't killed it so you have a nice efficiency bonus there as you'll only harvest the useful stuff.
Its also very easy to scout them, I mean, you do have them just sitting around in your town... The issues with occupying are that: a) It uses up a commander who could be used for hunting other NPC, b) It places the commander at risk of being killed and then having to be resurrected if the square gets hit by either another NPC or another hunter who was just too late, c) What if you don't see the army that's there for the day?
I mean more in relation to poaching kills rather than mines but I guess that one fits too... and the silversteel wars recently as well...
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Wartow
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This thread is on page 3 which is already 2 pages too long. I initially volley'ed with Eeoworms because I thought the back and forth was good for newer players to see a snapshot of the current diversity in thinking that exists within the community.
Key points in summary:
Happy hunting, harvesting, poaching, or whatever is you do!
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TomBombadil
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Most of my harvesting is from massive Critter on Critter kills. Unless you park an army on it I have absolutely no way whatsoever to know whether it is your kill or not. If you can't be bothered by showing interest in a kill with an army or harvesters I'm going to assume you don't want it. It is also very easy to just plonk down a tiny army on it for a day or two to mark your kill... I mean, you had to send an army there to kill it in the first place didn't you...
Wasn't there a war about a useless Trove mine at some point?
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eowan the short
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As far as I know, no one has said they'd be fine with sending troops to someone else's kill but to me it seems like the logical progression of the position of the poachers. Hmm... have there been situations in the past where people have intentionally used someone's reaction to poaching as a pre-text for kicking off a war or something like that? I agree entirely that the ownership of the kill is the one who paid in the form of troops to make said kill.
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Ten Kulch
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I'm not sure who said that. Sending troops to someone else's kill is a great way to kill their skinners and cause a dispute. To me, the only thing that matters in the ownership of a kill is having killed it yourself. Leaving your army advertises your ownership of your kill, and if the parts are valuable, that makes good sense. |
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