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Torn Sky
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Posted: 22 May 2018 at 03:19 |
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So I made this attack, T2 Spear Commander with 7 Heroism, Boar Spear, Elite on plains
Figuring base attack of 817 -16%(plains) -32%(boar spear) +240%(boar spear) = 1586 attack 475 Kobolds base 9 -16%(plains) = 3591 attack 5177 total attack against 5172 Defense per Digioso calculator after the attack i only did around 88% damage or 4554 damage 4554 - 3591 = 963 damage done by my commander so 817 -16% = 686.28 +40% = 960.8 so the base boar spear is +20% (+40% roughly with elite status) or is my napkin math wrong
Despite your troops' defeat, word reaches you concerning the defenders' forces in this battle.
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Ten Kulch
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Do the terrain modifiers add or multiply with equipment modifiers? I have always assumed multiply, although both types of math are used in Illyriad.
Also, the malfunction with boar spears has been discussed extensively. |
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The boar spear malfunction discussion.
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That what im wanting to know is if the math is right or missed a variable mainly. I was told the +animal bonus weapons were off thats why i ran the numbers before and after.
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1. Through my all years in Illy i have learned that:
total attack = basic attac * general multiplier * crafted multiplier, where 1. a) Basic attack of a unit is basicly a basic attack of a unit (eg knight's BA = 65, stalwart's = 45), b) commander basic attack = UBA * (1+ HL*6), where UBA - unit's basic attack - the attack score of the unit the commander is recruited from; HL - Heroism skill level; 2. General multiplier is comprised of every bonus out there but crafted: Division bonus attack skill Terrain; Biome; Prestige; the multiplier is = 1 + (DBA% + TB% + BB% + PB%)/100 3. crafted multiplier is 1 + (armor bonus% + weapon bonus% + mount bonus%)/100; or when elite: CM = 1 + (armor bonus% + weapon bonus% + mount bonus%)*2/100; so lets assume a classic situation: you deploy an army of 61 knight troops lead by 5 elite knight commanders on plains, with only commanders equipped with pains spears and plainsman armor and heavy horses, no biome and pres bonus on,all commanders have heroism 10 and charge level 15; so each of your commander's attack will consist of: a) basic attack: 65*(1+ 10*6) = 65*61 = 3965 b) general multiplier consists of: terran 30%, charge 15%, biome 0%, pres 0%, total of GM = 1 + (30 + 15 + 0 +0)/100 = 1.45; c) crafted multiplier: plains spear +60%, plains armor +60%, heavy horse +5%, all elite; CM = 1 + (60 + 60 +5)*2/100 = 3.5; so your total (knight) commander's attack will be: TCA = 3965 * 1.45 * 3.5 = 20 122.375; 5 commanders will do: 20 122.375 * 5 = 100 611.875; 61 knight troops gonna deal: 65 * 61 * 1.45 * 1 (unequipped) = 5 749.25; and your total army's attack is: TAA = 100 611.875 + 5 749.25 = 106 361.125. I've checked this script on virtually thoudands of attacks during last 5 years and it did work all the time. But I haven't been too active during last few months so unless the devs have changed the rules recently it all should be true. PS A bit tipsy atm and English is ot my mother tongue so sorry guys if it's not coming too clear. tried my best you know, hope it helps.
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Thank you, that was clear enough
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It still works it seems, proof attached:)
heroim 10, bloodlust 15, terrain +30, biome +30, pres on; silversteel swords +150, forest armor +60 From: System
Subject: FW: Victorious battle against NPC units's forces at [@l=219|-1388|41|113|7] by Sene's forces from Acoron Heavily wooded terrain spells difficulty for ranged units and cavalry. Infantry units find they have a large advantage here. Like the attackers, these thick forests do not provide much assistance for anyone except your footsoldiers, who take great pleasure in the extra cover afforded to them.
Your victorious troops retrieved: |
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If your stalwarts had 100 health not 300, would they be damage by 100 or 33 health in same scenario?
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No, Dabrelis, hit points loss is equal to troops losses percentage. 23% losses mean 23 HP loss for all commanders in the army. Levels, experience, skills or anything but loss rate matter not. Hence here commanders lost 100 HP
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I'm sorry to disagree but you do NOT multiply the equipment bonus by the terrain bonus. I've also checked this over long periods until I correctly predicted kills in advance. Take a human Knight for example. Its basic attack is 65. The correct terrain gear adds 60% for the weapon and 60% for the armour - this comes to +39 for each REGARDLESS of terrain. Ignore all other bonuses for the moment. So on plains 65+39+39 + 19.5(terrain) = 162.5 (not 185.9 as if multiplied) and on large mountains 65+39+39 - 19.5 = 123.5 (not 100.1) Note that the difference is not as big as you might instinctively think and it is NOT insane to send cav up mountains! if properly geared. Remember also that a terrain spear costs the same to make no matter which troop type you put it on - so the decision to use gear is much easier for a human knight than it is for 'in-between' troop types and nearly impossible for a one million kobold army. There are a lot of misunderstandings about equipment and charts that draw conclusions that are only valid if no equipment is used - my advice to you is to analyse your battle reports until you can do the calculation yourself - experiment - predict - analyse. You will find that you can get EXACT results. If you have a battle report and can tell me the equipment used, I can do the calculation for you a couple of times. PS: - this really matters when you use equipment on ALL your troops, not just commanders.
Edited by Hucbold - 02 Jun 2018 at 02:02 |
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