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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Sep 2018 at 21:40
Originally posted by Bill_Cipher Bill_Cipher wrote:

He is the leader.

I believe he has the right to do as he pleases.

Complaining doesn't really help


It never does. Anyway, just chimed in with my two cents. Of course he can do what he wants, and he'll be fully responsible for it.
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Seems pretty hypocritical to complain about this when QB was involved with threatening Ascn players with sieges just because Ascn were doing so well in the tournament.
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Originally posted by eowan the short eowan the short wrote:

Seems pretty hypocritical to complain about this when QB was involved with threatening Ascn players with sieges just because Ascn were doing so well in the tournament.


No, it's difficult to make that charge stick.

Chasing players down after a war has ended and peace was declared =/= threatening players for their actions before and during and after a tournament.

If QB thinks the first one is low and wrong, but that the second was justified, then she is not being hypocritcal.

You can disagree with her reasoning, but she's not necessarily being a hypocrite.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lagavulin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 16:49
mCrow is still at war with SIN. Players who left SIN are still at war with us until they make individual peace.  Some have made peace, many have not.  This exactly mirrors SIN's own policy.

Quoted below from SIN's alliance page (same applies to Ex TA2IN and for the same reason)

"Persistant Pursuit Notice

Beginning July 18, players in alliances engaging in hostile military operations against SIN are considered "enemy combatants" and cannot leave their alliance and avoid hostile action during war or other confrontations without first agreeing to individual surrender terms. If SIN has siege operations inbound to an enemy combatant who leaves an allaince at war with SIN, sieges will continue. Absent of formal surrender terms and a peace agreement between SIN and an opposing alliance, all members who attempt to leave the war will be pursued to the fullest extent of SIN's military until or unless individual surrender terms are reached, irrespective of remaining unaffiliated or joining another alliance."

bold added by me.

(Yes.  The misspelling of Persistent is how they posted it on their alliance page.  Get over it.)

(There is much more to all sides of these wars over the last year and a bit.  I have refrained from commenting much about them and think that is still a good policy as it just degenerates into we say/they say. Everyone can safely assume we have answers to the statements against us and do not agree with QBs view or even all her claims of "fact.")

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gragnog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Sep 2018 at 18:02
This is such a fun thread. Bottom line is Laga is just lucky SIN got bored and left. They were on the verge of pummelling mCrow into the dust but punching a baby is morally wrong( even one as pathetic as Laga). He is now bitter and actually quite unable to make and headway against Josh anyway so his claim of Chasing War Runners is mute. All he is doing is japping loudly at Josh’s ankles. Now everyone just move along and let the little puppy continue his japping. We actually find him quite cute.
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Hey, I'm happy to get some action that is predictable and ongoing.
I did try and reach out to Laga but i didn't get very far running into a wall with the suggestions I had. A donkey comes to mind with stubbornness.

this seems fitting
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Originally posted by Lumelthien Lumelthien wrote:

Originally posted by eowan the short eowan the short wrote:

Seems pretty hypocritical to complain about this when QB was involved with threatening Ascn players with sieges just because Ascn were doing so well in the tournament.


No, it's difficult to make that charge stick.

Chasing players down after a war has ended and peace was declared =/= threatening players for their actions before and during and after a tournament.

If QB thinks the first one is low and wrong, but that the second was justified, then she is not being hypocritcal.

You can disagree with her reasoning, but she's not necessarily being a hypocrite.

There are not enough players, full alliances, active wars, or activity to justify this old strategy as Laga is using it
^^ From QB's post.

So, according to her, when her guys get attacked, there aren't enough players etc in the game to justify it so it should be stopped.

But this ignores the fact that just a few months ago, she thought there were just plenty of players when threatening to siege Ascn players because they did well in a tournament?

That seems hypocritical to me...
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Blah blah blah 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angrim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Sep 2018 at 22:31
it really does seem like this thread should be entitled Chasing war runners the OTHER way. it feels like the "illy doesn't have enough players to..." argument has been used in every conflict, and it's never had any traction with anyone doing anything they'd already decided to do.

illy has been in decline since...2012? the idea that any action Lagavulin might take at this late date should be blamed for negatively affecting the player base in a significant way seems difficult to sustain. the better argument would be whether or not this policy of chasing war runners is achieving its goals. if it's happening in every conflict in spite of years of standard practice, one might question its effectiveness as a deterrent...and one might conclude that it has been motivated by spite for most of its existence as a policy.
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Originally posted by Angrim Angrim wrote:

the better argument would be whether or not this policy of chasing war runners is achieving its goals. if it's happening in every conflict in spite of years of standard practice, one might question its effectiveness as a deterrent...and one might conclude that it has been motivated by spite for most of its existence as a policy.


Not necessarily.

Policies like this one may not be sufficient to eliminate all instances of war-running, but yet they may still reduce those instances to a degree deemed acceptable by the policy enacters.

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