About the StA vs S+B War

*As recited by someone we hired for their ability to speak without an accent*

Some of you in the southeast may be aware of the alliances Slaves to Armok and Skull and Bones.

In the future, many more of you may hear about them.

StA responded maybe ha month ago to hostilities by S+B with a move towards war. S+Bs leader, Zork2010, has a reputation in the quadrant for hostility and aggression - you can simply read his description if he hasn't recently changed it - but with he's gotten into a bit of a problem with his last round of attacks against StA. He bit off more than he could chew. After forcing one of our members out of the game with a week of nonstop attacks (and no attempt to contact our alliance, or resolve any grievance he may have had with the former player diplomatically), we were forced to respond. First, we attempted diplomacy - but all we got in return was aggressive posturing and bragging. Every time he attacked one of our cities, and his aggression did soon spread to other cities, he would send the target a message gloating about how much he had hurt them.

After deliberation, we began sieging S+B's cities. Throughout the process, we have been happy to accept surrender of any of those members willing to leave his aggressive alliance, and have worked at finding them new homes in less warlike alliances. S+B did at one point offer a peace treaty by message, around the time we razed one of their cities. While we were discussing it, he decided to use the lull as an opportunity to hit us with a brand new wave of attacks, so we resumed hostilities. We DO continue to offer full pardon's to any S+B members that wish to to no longer be involved in this war, but we no longer trust peace offers by S+B and will no longer accept a treaty with the alliance as a whole. Any individual that wishes can leave the alliance for a more peaceful one at any time, as long as they agree not to support Zork's continued war effort.

However, S+B has recently decided to escalate this conflict, and has been hard at work convincing other alliances to do his dirty work for him, and deal with the mess he has made. He has had their "sister alliance" TRR make a bunch of confederacies on the assumption that when they were ready, both of them could declare war on us and attempt to guilt TRR's new "friends" into saving Zork's clan from the consequences of its actions, in addition to begging to other alliances for help against this "Bully". The most recent of there attempts resulted in a surprise declaration of var by Federation o Freedom, though we are attempting to resolve this diplomatically and counter Zork's lies.

He will say anything to convince someone to save him.

Note that we have had NO conflict with TRR or any of the other alliances, including FoF. We have never attacked one of there cities, and we have ignored attacks and diplos from them. We have given them no reason to declare var on us, and none of them were allied with S+B before the beginning of the war, including TRR.

We have no intention of backing down at this point. We consider S+B a threat, and believe from our interactions with them, that if the alliance survives they will simply bide their time and wait until we are weakened before striking back at us, and thus we will accept nothing less then the alliance being disbanded and its members finding new homes. We do NOT, however, have anything against the individual members themselves, with the exception of Zork2010, who's aggression and warlike nature caused this situation.

We request that you not join them, despite the lies they will attempt to ply you with.

We would prefer to have dealt with this situation without having to get others involved and have no desire for the damage to be more than it is - but that has obviously been made impossible, now. We did not want this - it was brought to us. But we WILL finish it.

TLDR: S+B started a war they thought they could win, and now that the tides have turned against them they are trying to get another alliance to "save them" instead of dealing with the consequences of their actions.


Edited by Noryasha Grunk - 16 Sep 2010 at 23:27

no  joke, roledplaying is all well and good but dont write a book in "orcish" if  you expect us to read it

StA started attacking us and made demands for protection. of course we refused and retaliated when attacked. we have offered a surrender but it was refused. they said they want to eliminate all of us and pour salt where our cities once stood. why? because we had the gall to stand up to them.

Both alliances seem to feel they were attacked first.

Noryasha Grunk wrote: StA responded maybe a month ago to hostilities by S+B by initiating a war. S+Bs leader, Zork, has a reputation in the quadrant for hostility and aggression, but with this act he may have bitten of more than he could chew. **Edited so it's actually readable. **

Why respond with war? Why not try to come to some kind of an agreement? Not only that, he says he's tried to surrender, why are you unwilling to accept it?

*translated, in response to Brids17*

Initially, there was a conflict between myself and Da'Pabba, before either of us had joined an alliance. We had started next to each other, and often had conflicts over nearby resources. We had exchanged troops a couple times, but overall there was no real material damage from the conflict. It was only when he joined S+B and convinced them to take care of his problem did the situation escalate - as enemy armies begain to raid my city every hour or three for a significant period of time. At this point, I tried to resolve the situation diplomatically, and told my own alliance to stay out of the conflict unless Zork refused to let up on the aggression, but Zork said the equivalent of "Bring it On".

Not once did he attempt to resolve the situation peacefully - he wanted this war from the beginning. We did, and he had no wish to hear it. Only when it became obvious that we had finally organized and he could no longer send constant attacks against us unopposed did he actually attempt to negotiate peace - and he followed up the offer with a new wave of attacks,

He's gotten himself into this situation, and aside from that one "please sign a peace treat with us now that you have two sieges coming at our cities" attempt, he's made no diplomatic moves, and has no proposed any peaceful resolution for this conflict.


Edited by Noryasha Grunk - 16 Sep 2010 at 23:26

I am the leader of the Crows Wing, which is a relatively small, mostly training alliance for the Crows.  It has since changed, but the original description for S&B was "we accept no NAPs and will attack whoever we want, whenever we want".  Zork2010 certainly followed his mantra and attacked for the slightest reason, such as bumped caravans.  The member of my alliance closest to Zork2010 would respond in kind, I'm not saying we're completely without blame for violence; however, any attempt at diplomatic resolution always brought the same response from Zork2010 -- "let me fight your member one on one". Which was fine the first time and I allowed it in the hope things would settle down; however, it changed nothing and hostilities immediately restarted on the next bumped caravan.

The Wing has no grudge against any other member of S&B and have not declared official war on the full alliance; however, we cannot seem to live peacefully with Zork2010 near our cities. At this point, war is the only solution, anything else is simply delaying the inevitable conflict.

I'm sure Zork2010 has a different view on who started things, but that's always the case in this sort of thing.