26AUG11 - New Art, Google Checkout, Relocate

Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote: HonoredMule wrote: Llyorn, that comment was not directed at yourself.  Nevertheless, I fail to see how your point of view has in any way been under-represented in this thread.  And I think there's a short in the logic system when the foremost counterargument is not a refutation of observations/rationale, but rather a call to "lighten up." That's the "it's just a game" argument revisted, which does little besides dismissing the argument and by extension others' differing opinions. Creating a realistic sense of perspective is by no means a short in logic. I would contend by its very nature itself logical. Perspective itself can refute 'rationale' and is not merely a call to 'lighten up'. And once again, no I am not dismissing the argument nor others opinions and again I find the insinuation patronizing. I guess we're at logger heads and will agree to disagree.

Llyorn I think that just as with Kil, you are caught arguing against a point which I dont think anyone has tried to make here.

No-one has called for the removal of this image, or any other form of censorship.  It is merely a case that a player has felt let down that this image (which she clearly felt was not suitable) has been forced onto her as a profile picture.

I beleive that any 'realistic perspective' would let any reasoned person see that a player should not have something like this changed about their own account, without some choice being available to them.  Many of us have spent along time and alot of effort building our accounts and I am sure you can appreciate that; if the devs enforced somekind of imagery onto yours that you felt was completely unsuitable to your character here, you would appreciate being able to change it, or simply have it removed from your own account.

We are not looking for a ban, or an excuse to victimise people that choose to hold on to the image in question, just that the player who was offended by it is allowed an alternative on her own profile.

Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote: Darkwords: Llyorn Of Jaensch wrote: I fully support the contention that players should be able to represent an avatar according to his/her choice/tolerance/belief/whatever

+1

I think that this is a tempest in a teapot. I'm sure the devs didn't wish to offend anyone. Imo, they have always shown great sensitivity. I would be surprised if they don't give anyone who is offended an alternate option at some point, but does it warrant a 10 page threadnought? Let's focus our considerable energies on other, more important brainstorming of game improvements that can help the GMs make the game better.

For a peek into the minds of the GMs and their decision concerning the character art, look here.  It seems to me that the artist's idea was for the elfin girl to be attractive and otherworldly to her people, while the orc fearsome and the human motherly and strong.  Obviously, the "lewd image" was just a byproduct of this, and we should perceive the artwork as the artist wanted us to.

And of course we had to have one athletic-warrior-supermodel type, and she swiftly became the Elf.

And so she had to be half (it's probably more than 50%) naked in order to do that? You can't make someone appear attractive or athletic without taking their clothes off? Once again, that's sexist.